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    It’s getting late. The sun has gone down. The drums are on, and the dancing is hot. And your vendors are packing it all in and heading out early.

    ‘Why?’ you ask? There are still several competitions, giveaways, specials, and ticket drawings to go. Maybe a few more social dances.

    What likely has chased your vendors out is the unsupervised children who set up a game of rugby out and behind the vendor area. Or a game of tag (by throwing a water bottle at another kid). Or “Let’s run through all the vendor booths!” Or if there is just dirt out back, “Let’s kick up as big of a cloud of dust as we can!!” This week it was a game of three-way football with two American footballs and a soccer ball in the dark, past a generator or two and several extension cords leading to booths. Until they packed.

    It’s pretty obvious that any potential customers aren’t thrilled with the yelling, noise and potential of getting run over by this wild herd. They have abandoned the vendors’ ghetto a long time ago.

    I know: Children are our future. They have lots of energy to run off. Making up games are part of our culture. I get all that.

    But is part of “our” shared culture ruining the livelihood of vendors who have worked long and hard to bring their art and craft to your event? Is part of “our” culture making vendors pay a fee only to be babysitters for those parents unwilling or unable to keep track of their children after dark? Is it part of “our” culture not instilling enough discipline in the youth that they will sit and watch the pow wow and not go join the roughhouse gang out behind the vendors area as soon as you turn your back?

    You walk your vendor area during the gourd dance and realize that there are empty spots, a lack of anything new and interesting and that vendor that you wanted to talk to about a commission piece just isn’t there. Maybe they got tired of having to clean the dust off of everything after your event. Maybe they had their canopy frame destroyed by a phalanx of kids running after a ball. Maybe they wanted to hear the drums and singers, but not the screaming kids.

    Maybe they just got tired of paying for the “privilege” of being your unwilling babysitters, and your pow wow has hit the list of ‘never again’ events.
    "My people are wherever flutes are played."

  • #2
    Two things can be done.

    You can find the parents of these hooligans and tell them your mind or you can ask the powwow committed to ban children.


    Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


    "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

    Mr. Rossie Freeman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
      Two things can be done.

      You can find the parents of these hooligans and tell them your mind or you can ask the powwow committed to ban children.
      There is one more option ! They could seek out another vocation ! LOL
      I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


      They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

      There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

      Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
      It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


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      • #4
        Im with WD on this one. I've tagged along with vendors to PWs on several occasions sporadically, sometimes selling my stuff sometimes just tagging along for the ride. The dust, the kids, the late hours, the lack of consistent meals, people stealing from you, the rain or scorching heat... it's all part of the PW experience. From what I've seen, some of the vendors make good money to buy another canopy, or a better feather duster or even lose a few sales by leaving early.

        Like any other job, it goes back to the pros and the cons of your vocation. Usually if they're there, its because the pros of being there outweigh the cons?

        Just my ¢0.02.



        Originally posted by wardancer View Post
        There is one more option ! They could seek out another vocation ! LOL
        Last edited by Itzhecatl; 04-28-2016, 01:07 PM.
        "I'm learning to accept the things that are beyond my control,
        and working on improving the things that are." -RBTF

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        • #5
          Let me know what powwow you are going to next so I can bring my five kids.

          Local flower shop is hiring. You could play your flute and sell some flowers ennit.
          When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

          "Show me somethin"

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          • #6
            Not that my opinion counts for much, but while I understand the point the OP is making, I have empathy for the children as well. Growing up attending at a lutheran church every sunday, sitting through older sibling's sporting events and plays, etc... I know how hard it is to sit still and be quiet when you are young. For me, it was impossible... Like it just wasn't happening. It doesn't mean they are bad kids or not well disciplined, they are just kids. I think 9/10 young kids are just that way, and the other 1/10 are probably either drugged or broken-spirited by helicopter parents... Just my opinion... Kids would rather be in the show than watching the show, anything to let their bodies move around. And for some of them, I am sure the pow wow is the only time when they get to see ALL their family and ALL their friends at once, in one place, in a big open space outside... That is exciting! How can they NOT want to run and play? If you are really set on getting your kids to sit still, if it were me, I would sit with them somewhere where your talking won't disturb others, and I would engage with them like, asking them "What dance was your favorite? Which dancer did you like best? Oh look, that dancer is wearing your favorite color!" something like that... Because then they are sitting and focusing to a degree. As far as the vendors themselves go, they are going to deal with screaming kids and horseplay literally anywhere they go... Football games, carnivals, rodeos, fairs, parades... Literally anywhere there is an outdoor event, there will be children with ants in their pants! I am sure most of them are well used to it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KokopelliOH View Post
              It’s getting late. The sun has gone down. The drums are on, and the dancing is hot. And your vendors are packing it all in and heading out early.

              ‘Why?’ you ask? There are still several competitions, giveaways, specials, and ticket drawings to go. Maybe a few more social dances.

              What likely has chased your vendors out is the unsupervised children who set up a game of rugby out and behind the vendor area. Or a game of tag (by throwing a water bottle at another kid). Or “Let’s run through all the vendor booths!” Or if there is just dirt out back, “Let’s kick up as big of a cloud of dust as we can!!” This week it was a game of three-way football with two American footballs and a soccer ball in the dark, past a generator or two and several extension cords leading to booths. Until they packed.

              It’s pretty obvious that any potential customers aren’t thrilled with the yelling, noise and potential of getting run over by this wild herd. They have abandoned the vendors’ ghetto a long time ago.

              I know: Children are our future. They have lots of energy to run off. Making up games are part of our culture. I get all that.

              But is part of “our” shared culture ruining the livelihood of vendors who have worked long and hard to bring their art and craft to your event? Is part of “our” culture making vendors pay a fee only to be babysitters for those parents unwilling or unable to keep track of their children after dark? Is it part of “our” culture not instilling enough discipline in the youth that they will sit and watch the pow wow and not go join the roughhouse gang out behind the vendors area as soon as you turn your back?

              You walk your vendor area during the gourd dance and realize that there are empty spots, a lack of anything new and interesting and that vendor that you wanted to talk to about a commission piece just isn’t there. Maybe they got tired of having to clean the dust off of everything after your event. Maybe they had their canopy frame destroyed by a phalanx of kids running after a ball. Maybe they wanted to hear the drums and singers, but not the screaming kids.

              Maybe they just got tired of paying for the “privilege” of being your unwilling babysitters, and your pow wow has hit the list of ‘never again’ events.
              daaaaaamn someone said it

              I vote to give em all the belt
              "I on the trail of a possible good Indian lady and she is reported to like the old way's and she to believes in big family and being at home with kids all the time"... - MOTOOPI aka WOUNDED BEAR

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              • #8
                Originally posted by milehighsalute View Post
                daaaaaamn someone said it

                I vote to give em all the belt

                I too was raised "sit in the pew" Lutheran, and I got the belt growing up. One of my uncles had a "Board of Education". The other had inherited his father's leather razor strop. Grandma had a "switch bush".

                You didn't act out in our family. We got the "ants in our pants", but sandlot sports got a lot of that out of our system.

                Parents today are just too afraid to parent. Well, except for the jingle dancer I saw taking her pre-teen to task for being in the 3-ball football/rugby game with (now tattered) regalia someone had just put together for her.

                It's called respect: Everyone wants it at one time or the other, we all give it on a regular basis, why can't we teach our children that vendors need some respect as well?

                If we are expected to "be a village" and be your babysitter, is ok if we discipline whoever cuts through our booth as well?
                "My people are wherever flutes are played."

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                • #9
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                  When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

                  "Show me somethin"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KokopelliOH View Post
                    I too was raised "sit in the pew" Lutheran, and I got the belt growing up. One of my uncles had a "Board of Education". The other had inherited his father's leather razor strop. Grandma had a "switch bush".

                    You didn't act out in our family. We got the "ants in our pants", but sandlot sports got a lot of that out of our system.

                    Parents today are just too afraid to parent. Well, except for the jingle dancer I saw taking her pre-teen to task for being in the 3-ball football/rugby game with (now tattered) regalia someone had just put together for her.

                    It's called respect: Everyone wants it at one time or the other, we all give it on a regular basis, why can't we teach our children that vendors need some respect as well?

                    If we are expected to "be a village" and be your babysitter, is ok if we discipline whoever cuts through our booth as well?
                    Two questions.

                    Can you name some of the powwows you set up your booth?

                    What do you sell from your booth?


                    Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                    "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                    Mr. Rossie Freeman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
                      Two questions.

                      Can you name some of the powwows you set up your booth?

                      What do you sell from your booth?
                      That's gettin kinda personal , ennit ???
                      I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


                      They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

                      There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

                      Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
                      It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


                      sigpic


                      There's a chance you might not like me ,

                      but there's a bigger

                      chance I won't care

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wardancer View Post
                        That's gettin kinda personal , ennit ???
                        I'm not the personal kind of guy.


                        Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                        "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                        Mr. Rossie Freeman

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                        • #13
                          Since he obviously dislikes busy children maybe he should sell condoms and birth control devices......or duct tape and rope !~
                          I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


                          They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

                          There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

                          Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
                          It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


                          sigpic


                          There's a chance you might not like me ,

                          but there's a bigger

                          chance I won't care

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I am not sure whether the duct tape and rope is for the kids or the parents. A little concerned. LOL!

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                            • #15
                              Hahahahahahahaha......I just point out options for white guys who are upset with ndn kids running amok.......there needs to be a sarcasm font ! LOL And really , I'm not a full time racist , only a full time smart-azz !
                              I believe blood quantums are the governments way to breed us out of existance !


                              They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

                              There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

                              Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
                              It's not me....I think you're an idiot !


                              sigpic


                              There's a chance you might not like me ,

                              but there's a bigger

                              chance I won't care

                              Comment

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