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  • SingingDeer
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    hmmm..... that'd be like asking me to judge a model horse I had customized.... sorry, if I were asked to judge a family member I would graciuosly decline.

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  • badmaninc
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    Times change because we let them change. Honour is not held in the same regard as it once was by many. If you have relatives dancing in a category or you have been asked to judge singers who you are related to then it is up to you to decline. Nowadays, people say it doesn't matter. I would make my children feel horrible if I were to judge them and they won their category. It would cheapen their victory. They would know it and many of the people in the powwow community would know it and I would know it. I think people need to carry themselves in a way that would make their great-grandparents proud. Money changes things because we let it. We put a price on our honor and integrity. If some wish to win by nepotism or use the judging system to secure a favourable outcome, then in the end they are only dilluding themselves. People will begin to see them for the shallow and fraudulent people they are. So in other words let people do what they want, they will anyway. It doesn't mean that people who want to be honest need to follow.

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  • bahnisiain
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    i remember seeing at Schemitzun and a couple of other pow wows the arena directors picking folks to be judges. a couple of times those foks declined because they knew someone in that catagory.

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  • dreams4u
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    Last edited by dreams4u; 01-04-2006, 11:34 AM.

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  • jingle-babygirl
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    well I guess it depends on how fair that AD is...I know that there are some head judges are like that too...but my friend's father down south in Texas...he is a very fair man....he is head judge and his family dances as while...but when it comes to picking judges for his family he lets the committee choose their judges...he doesn't want people to say that they won because of him...he wants them to win on their own merits...we need more people like that on pw committees....I do agree that money does change things!!

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  • CHEROSAGE
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    I agree that times ARE changing, but often still today in some of the dances(contest) I have gone to I've seen people bow out as a judge because a close family member was dancing. I don't consider a 5th cousin 10 times removed (what ever that means) as a reason to bow out. I do though consider an adopted family, and friends, as close family.

    I have bowed out myself at times when I've been asked to judge because of family members dancing.

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  • screamin_chickenz
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    Originally posted by WhoMe
    Wihey,

    Arena directors evolved from the old whipmen in men's Helushka and grass dance societies. It was, and still is, their job to "physically manage" the dance arena.


    Once this evolution took place, Arena Directors "were" chosen because of their overall knowledge of arena protocol, regional distinctions, dance and singing experience and personal repoire with other head staff/committee.

    With the frequency of powwows today, coupled with the fact that powwows are still infiltrating new horizons, finding knowledgable arena directors is not always possible. This may or may not have been the case, in Winchester, TN.

    Originally there was a rule that judges should disqualify themselves if they have family members competing.

    However, times are changing and we are witnessing the blatant disregard of traditional values - in favor of adopting new and sometimes less honorable ways of doing things. This is especially true concerning competition, contests and competitors.



    My grandfathers wise words have come to pass,

    "MONEY CHANGES THINGS!"
    yeh i agree with "Who Me", times are changing...

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  • TacO5000
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    I wish my family was judging when I was dancing! Then maybe I could have won!!! Aye!

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  • Wihey1
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    Who Me, WELL SPOKEN! You are very knowledgable and I can tell you were taught good ways. There is a blantant disregard to traditional values and money does change people.



    To Fancy: I disagree
    Last edited by Wihey1; 05-12-2005, 01:24 PM.

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  • Furiously-Fancy
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    Some pow-wows are so small nepotism is unavoidable.

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  • WhoMe
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    Originally posted by Wihey1
    Who me, what is your thoughts on this?
    Wihey,

    Arena directors evolved from the old whipmen in men's Helushka and grass dance societies. It was, and still is, their job to "physically manage" the dance arena.


    Once this evolution took place, Arena Directors "were" chosen because of their overall knowledge of arena protocol, regional distinctions, dance and singing experience and personal repoire with other head staff/committee.

    With the frequency of powwows today, coupled with the fact that powwows are still infiltrating new horizons, finding knowledgable arena directors is not always possible. This may or may not have been the case, in Winchester, TN.

    Originally there was a rule that judges should disqualify themselves if they have family members competing.

    However, times are changing and we are witnessing the blatant disregard of traditional values - in favor of adopting new and sometimes less honorable ways of doing things. This is especially true concerning competition, contests and competitors.



    My grandfathers wise words have come to pass,

    "MONEY CHANGES THINGS!"
    Last edited by WhoMe; 05-12-2005, 11:39 AM.

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  • Wihey1
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    Who me, what is your thoughts on this?

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  • chazziff
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    i've seen it too and it'll probably never change. seen where an AD's daughters all got first place in all junior girls categories...geez that was a ca-winkie-dink...

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  • dreams4u
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    Last edited by dreams4u; 01-04-2006, 11:39 AM.

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  • Wihey1
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    hmmmm
    Last edited by Wihey1; 05-12-2005, 10:11 AM.

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