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    It used to be that stepping over or stopping to soon was reason for judges to disqualify a dancer at least in oklahoma. But recently this tradition is fading. At many powwows when dancers don't stop on time they are still given a place in the winners circle, (especially true in the Juniors). It is my opinion that since this tradition is no longer carried on that some kids don't even make the effort to learn the songs which is bad for the future of fancy dancing in oklahoma.It is the responsibility of judges to make sure these traditions are passed on in a good way. So what do you think?
    Last edited by ndnmannoko4; 11-16-2005, 10:37 AM.

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    What if you have two songs and you blew one of them?
    Maybe judges should start pointing out or escorting disqualified dancers from comp. Like if they have two songs, the ones that missed the first can't dance the second. Or they can dance but cannot be judged.
    I don't know something like that anyways.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by ndnmannoko4
      It used to be that stepping over or stopping to soon was reason for judges to disqualify a dancer at least in oklahoma. But recently this tradition is fading. At many powwows when dancers don't stop on time they are still given a place in the winners circle, (especially true in the Juniors). It is my opinion that since this tradition is no longer carried on that some kids don't even make the effort to learn the songs which is bad for the future of fancy dancing in oklahoma.It is the responsibility of judges to make sure these traditions are passed on in a good way. So what do you think?

      ndnman,

      There are several ways to address your question.

      Traditions fade and new innovations replace them. This is inevidible.

      Yes, at one time it was honorable for a contestant to disqualify themselves if they over or under stepped. We are seeing the last remnants of this taking place today, because a few still carry on this honor of self-disqualification.

      Money changes things. It takes money to travel. Some contest dancers depend on this money as their primary income. If they don't place they don't travel.

      Sad huh?

      Also new contest songs are being composed each new powwow season. It is not uncommon for fancy dancers to dance to a set of completely new contest songs that have unusual and multiple endings. It is unfair to have to stop to a recently composed song that they are totally unfamiliar with.

      In the old days, songs were fairly standardized and sung over-and-over, weekend-after-weekend.

      Not so today.
      Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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      • #4
        Boozhoo niji,

        I have seen this topic before, and I will state one thing that was told to me when I argued the point last time. The dance and the song is all about the stop. You have to stop on time. And this is comming from me, a Florida boy. I have had to learn this the hard way, and I have never been to a pow wow in Oklahoma. It would be cool to go, but as WhoMe said, it takes money to travel, and I have to work my butt off just to pay off my car.

        I have done competition dancing here in Florida, and a particularly well known dancer (not naming any names here) comes down from the North, and oversteps and wins first place. One year he crashed into two other fancy dancers, fell down, and still placed second. I believe in these days its not how you dance but who you know.

        This kinda brings up another subject, but I will start a new thread for this. Miigwetch.

        Derek
        I believe in something I want to believe, not what someone wants me to believe.

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