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  • Ask Iowa Boy: Fancy Diva's at home

    A recent post by Jed got me thinking this morning. Fancy powwow diva's are committed to the money, and often have to go where the money is, which means, for some, they actually don't go to their home community powwow. This really makes them a "diva" in the minds of the locals (often relatives and friends). This can cause problems, leading to many "divas" to move away from a community and move to a more "powwow friendly" environment or to marry-in to a different community.

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    Really? Do you ever find that the fancy diva (no names ) works hard to improve their own community's powwow/powwows until it is one of the bigger powwows in the region?

    Or would that be the exception that proves the rule?
    ...it is what it is...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wyo_rose View Post
      Really? Do you ever find that the fancy diva (no names ) works hard to improve their own community's powwow/powwows until it is one of the bigger powwows in the region?

      Or would that be the exception that proves the rule?
      Do you have someone in mind?

      A few diva's have gotten involved with non-local powwows, a big regional one or college powwows, usually because it will benefit them directly (a check) or indirectly (checks for friends/family).

      Diva's have ego's, they need to win or be in charge. Perhaps they have personal issues beyond the scope of this post or site. They like to be the center of attention.

      If a person stays and helps their local powwow, they are probably not a true diva. That kind of effort and time would take too much time away from "diva-ing"

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      • #4
        k what about this...what about those who say they can't ever win locally...or those who always win locally can't win at the bigger pow wows...and what about those who win all over no matter where they go...is that when people say that it becomes a popularity contest rather than their dancing...
        "I don't know why you never tried to tell me I was the one for you, I'm telling you my love is true and you're the only one for me -NC

        I'm not crazy I'm jus a little impaired I know right now you don't care but soon enough you're gonna think of me and how I used to be I'm not crazy jus a little unwell...-matchbox 20

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lakota_winyan View Post
          k what about this...what about those who say they can't ever win locally...or those who always win locally can't win at the bigger pow wows...and what about those who win all over no matter where they go...is that when people say that it becomes a popularity contest rather than their dancing...

          those who can never win locally? Probably local politics or they aren't that good

          those who win locally but don't win at bigger powwows? anyone can beat old 2 toes Fred, so maybe the local competition really isn't anything and the dancer really isn't good, or they have to "pay their dues" more at the bigger level

          those who win everywhere? most of the time its because they are good, but yeah, sometimes tis just because of who they are

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          • #6
            What about the diva who doen't win anywhere and complains to anyone who will listen because in his mind he thinks he should have won every powwow?
            Last edited by WhoMe; 07-24-2009, 02:20 PM.
            Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WhoMe View Post
              What about the diva who doen't win anywhere and complains to anyone who will listen because in his mine he thinks he should have won every powwow?
              he sucks.

              see it all the time, the ones who start *****ing as soon as the winners are announced, they always find people to tell there story too, "I was robbed" "I'm better than him" "he missed an ending"

              but the problem is, they suck. Just because you placed once at that New Years Powwow because there was only 3 people in your category, doesn't make you good.

              I have a super-cool funny post on dancer who suck, maybe I'll have it done soon.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Iowa_Boy View Post
                he sucks.

                see it all the time, the ones who start *****ing as soon as the winners are announced, they always find people to tell there story too, "I was robbed" "I'm better than him" "he missed an ending"

                but the problem is, they suck. Just because you placed once at that New Years Powwow because there was only 3 people in your category, doesn't make you good.

                I have a super-cool funny post on dancer who suck, maybe I'll have it done soon.
                *L

                You've met him too!

                My favorite is "someone used medicine on me!"
                Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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                • #9
                  After your contest you go and line up, look around, and you suddenly realize that your the only one who hasn't won a big dance, like gathering, schmetizun, red earth, etc. You then realize you have no chance.

                  Actually , many local fancy guys have no clue about the "big circuit". They only see those people once a year when they come to their rez for the big dance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Iowa_Boy View Post
                    Actually , many local fancy guys have no clue about the "big circuit". They only see those people once a year when they come to their rez for the big dance.
                    When you've seen the big boys, you just cease contesting. :)

                    It's like getting to the Majors, where everyone can hit a fastball, no matter how good yours is...

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                    • #11
                      I would like to mention the type that just love the dance. F__k the the contest part.
                      For me (I know it sounds corny.. but)
                      I think it is more kick *** to have a elder lady compliment me and my style than have to get all charged up thinking i can try and be on the same level as Kenny P.
                      I mean for me. If i based my enjoyment of the dance on placing, ****e i'd been out a long time ago.
                      So if you dance, just to win and get paid, your gonna be sore about the results of a lot of powwows.
                      Just sayin..
                      "Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." JW

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                      • #12
                        IB, is lostsalt considered one of those 'locals, or a Fancy diva who got 'medicine placed' on him cuz he didn't win?

                        j/k lost!


                        Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?


                        "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder".

                        Mr. Rossie Freeman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lostsalt View Post
                          I would like to mention the type that just love the dance. F__k the the contest part.
                          For me (I know it sounds corny.. but)
                          I think it is more kick *** to have a elder lady compliment me and my style than have to get all charged up thinking i can try and be on the same level as Kenny P.
                          I mean for me. If i based my enjoyment of the dance on placing, ****e i'd been out a long time ago.
                          So if you dance, just to win and get paid, your gonna be sore about the results of a lot of powwows.
                          Just sayin..
                          Typically, people who just love to dance won't drive for 14 hours to compete. They participate in another level of powwows, usually local only. On some weekends up in these parts, we'll have multiple powwows within an hour of each other, one will be for the local non-compete get your day money hang out with friends all weekend people and the other will be for those who need the bling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
                            IB, is lostsalt considered one of those 'locals, or a Fancy diva who got 'medicine placed' on him cuz he didn't win?

                            j/k lost!
                            he's a diva, just not in the powwow way.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Iowa_Boy View Post
                              he's a diva, just not in the powwow way.
                              That's not what you sister said!

                              No, really, i think you are over simplifying it.There are all kinds of dancers out there. Legitimate , top level dancers that do not fit into the Diva stereotype.
                              Not all locals are bitter and not all top doggs are divas. But the majority of those groups do define the stereotypes.
                              But could this thread also be aplicable to all the other styles as well.
                              Aren't there jingle locals and jingle divas as well.


                              IowaBoy... Don't make me post pictures of you as Homecoming Drag Queen 1986!
                              . . .. .. .. I'll do it ! ! !
                              "Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." JW

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