Mustang Songs

[CHEROSAGE]

This has happened to me. I'm 6'03" and my Grandma was 4' 10", my Aunts were just about as short as is my wife. It is very uncomfortable to be dragged out like that. The tongue lashing is even more uncomfortable. Anyone else know of such an experience? Though I am known to act up a little now and then I look around to see who is watching. just a habit.

[straightboy]

Yea, and after they grab your ears, they make you come back and sit next to them!! Then all your uncles come by and tease ya cuz your in trouble!! (Happen to anyone else??)

[Zotigh]

hehe...I've seen that, too.

I sometimes think that if it were not for the like of such matrons' fierce husbandry of our inheritance, we'd have none.

Yay, grandma's!!

It's amazing that creatures so short can wield such power. I think it's 'cause they can still reach up and grab our ears.

[ajibik]

This is the story about the Komalty Family Song as was explained to me...


While Kiowas refer to this song as the Komalty family song, they also call this song “Charlie Brown.” Many folks would immediately think of a popular comic strip by the same name. But the nickname has nothing to do with that. During the 1960s, a U.S. Army General named General Charles Brown visited a Gourd Dance on the Fort Sill Army Base. Hearing this song, he was so moved that he began to dance. Some Kiowa singers thus nicknamed the song “Charlie Brown.” The name stuck, and although it is still the Komalty family song, it is more widely known today as “Charlie Brown.”



So it was never given to the white General but nicknamed after him
I have always been told that this is a very oldddddddd Taimpego song and it would not be given him.
And it was also explained to me that it is not a Mustang song.

I remember the head singer being scolded by a grandmother for singing that song as a ending song (which is normally the case).

The grandma said, "That is not a quitting song, thats a no no!" The head singer then sang a different song to end the dance. Normally people sing it as a closing song, and now they look around to see if their family members are around.

[Gledanh Zhinga]

Getting back to Henry Collins. Three Ponca Collins brothers were Bill, Bob, and Bat. Bob was Henry's dad. The prayer song says, "Father, Take notice of me." In this instance, "father" means the Almighty, the Creator.

Henry's wife is Kiowa, and they have some big sons who now sit at the drum.

[fretg]

Don't let the (few) exceptions swallow the rule. My point is: I know plenty o' people who thought they could saunter in downtown, much to their surprise and disappointment (not to mention humiliation). I'm not opposed to others making honest mistakes or even thinking they're more than they are, so long as they learn the lesson and move on.

Let me clarify this remark, the Kiowa Gourd Clan invites anyone who is Indian to come out and dance. The only thing they ask is, "DO NOT" wear ball caps or cowboy hats. Unless your wearing the traditional gourd gance regalia. You must wear long sleeve shirts and slacks, no tee-shirts, polo shirts or blue jeans or shorts.

On the last day (4th) when they place the "war trophies" in the arena, do not cross between then, go around.

There is a "Whip Man" and if your not dancing and he comes around and "taps" you, you must get up and dance.

When camping, most of the camps by the arena are family sites, most visitors camp outside the area.

The drum is closed to only Kiowa singers and only one drum is used and sits to the westend of the arena.

[Josiah]

Sorry Sherry but 'Charlie Brown' isn't a mustang song to my knowledge. It is a specific song and not a group of songs. It is part of a group of songs called pahl-toe-gah (sp?) songs. As was said earlier these songs are the closing songs and are not mustang songs.

This is the story about the Komalty Family Song as was explained to me...


While Kiowas refer to this song as the Komalty family song, they also call this song “Charlie Brown.” Many folks would immediately think of a popular comic strip by the same name. But the nickname has nothing to do with that. During the 1960s, a U.S. Army General named General Charles Brown visited a Gourd Dance on the Fort Sill Army Base. Hearing this song, he was so moved that he began to dance. Some Kiowa singers thus nicknamed the song “Charlie Brown.” The name stuck, and although it is still the Komalty family song, it is more widely known today as “Charlie Brown.”



So it was never given to the white General but nicknamed after him
I have always been told that this is a very oldddddddd Taimpego song and it would not be given him.
And it was also explained to me that it is not a Mustang song.

[Nathan11]

hmm....very interesting thread

[travelingmocs]

To my knowleage and that is not a whole lot. That was a song that actually belong to a person named Charley Brown. He was a white army person. He liked the song, and it was then given to him.............TMS

[Sherry]

Mustang Songs

Just goes to show after 20 years of Gourd Dancing you can never learn it all. There's always something new.

[powwowbum49]

Sorry Sherry but 'Charlie Brown' isn't a mustang song to my knowledge. It is a specific song and not a group of songs. It is part of a group of songs called pahl-toe-gah (sp?) songs. As was said earlier these songs are the closing songs and are not mustang songs.

[Sherry]

Mustang Songs

I have heard Mustang Songs also called a "Charlie Brown" by a Comanche Gourd Dancer.

[R I Whiteside]

Mustang Songs are used with Brush Dance when bringing in the drum. Buffalo dance songs end the dance session.

[Two-cents1]

I mentioned this site to one of the original members of the revived society and he checked this thread out. He also mentioned, like what LGarcia just said, that the Kiowas originally came from the north, so pwr's comment on the strangeness of northern singers singing gourd dance songs with Zotigh was not so strange to him. He also noted that most of the other plains tribes that gourd dance, got the dance from the Comanches, who got it from the Kiowas. He was also there back in the early to mid-seventies when the dance was given to the Poncas, and even named alot of the families that were there.

Park was correct when he said you had to be Kiowa to dance in the afternoons there. They say "No in-laws", meaning other tribes that are married in, but they say it in Kiowa. There are a few exceptions for some fortunate individuals where Gourd Clan members have made a way for them to dance down there, but the general rule is that you have to be Kiowa to dance there.

Powwower, expect a PM from me.

[Louis Garcia]

Hello everyone:
Sorry I have gotten back sooner than this.
Looks like I opened a can of worms.
1) the reason I mentioned bustles and roaches was to point out that all the warrior societies (well perhaps not all, say 99%)used what is called the Gourd dance as their society dance. It was only the Grass Dance Society that used the regalia that is used in the pow-wow today.
I forgot to mention the big drum too.
The warriors societies seemed to use 4 hand drums. The Fox Society at Ft. Berthold, (Nueta and Hidatsa) still use the hand drums.
2) The Kiowa once lived up north and so possibly are the originators of the Gourd Dance.
I hope I didn't upset anyone.
LouieG
Ft. Totten, ND
:p