Question about smaller roaches

[littleswan]

Hello powwow.com forums! I was wondering if any of you are familiar with smaller roaches. The size of the base on the roach I am going to be getting is going to be anywhere between six to eight inches long.

That being said, does anyone know if I will have a problem with "spinning" with a smaller roach? When I wear my seventeen inch roach without the secondary tie at the base of my skull, the roach will spin around my head using my hairlock and pin as the central axis.

Keep in mind the spinning of my seventeen inch isn't a problem. I simply tie a second tie around the base of my skull in addition to the hairlock and pin and the roach is secured. I just wanted a smaller roach due to personal preference. I was concerned with spinning though, since the smaller roaches wont have enough base length to tie in that second tie to keep it from spinning. If they do spin, how do you folks keep it from spinning?

[Iowa_Boy]

Hello powwow.com forums! I was wondering if any of you are familiar with smaller roaches. The size of the base on the roach I am going to be getting is going to be anywhere between six to eight inches long.

That being said, does anyone know if I will have a problem with "spinning" with a smaller roach? When I wear my seventeen inch roach without the secondary tie at the base of my skull, the roach will spin around my head using my hairlock and pin as the central axis.

Keep in mind the spinning of my seventeen inch isn't a problem. I simply tie a second tie around the base of my skull in addition to the hairlock and pin and the roach is secured. I just wanted a smaller roach due to personal preference. I was concerned with spinning though, since the smaller roaches wont have enough base length to tie in that second tie to keep it from spinning. If they do spin, how do you folks keep it from spinning?

I think you'll find that a second tie will work on a roach that short.

[littleswan]

Thanks for the reply. Part of the appeal of a smaller roach would be so I wouldn't have to use any other ties aside from my hairlock. All those. Old photos of smaller roaches have no ties, and all the contemporary pictures I've seen of people wearing smaller roaches has no secondary tie.

My concern isn't whether or not I can add a second tie, it's if the roach will spin or not without it. I personally think those leather ties under the chin look goofy. :D I think my only other option would be to braid a second hairlock at the bottom of the base?

[wardancer]

Thanks for the reply. Part of the appeal of a smaller roach would be so I wouldn't have to use any other ties aside from my hairlock. All those. Old photos of smaller roaches have no ties, and all the contemporary pictures I've seen of people wearing smaller roaches has no secondary tie.

My concern isn't whether or not I can add a second tie, it's if the roach will spin or not without it. I personally think those leather ties under the chin look goofy. :D I think my only other option would be to braid a second hairlock at the bottom of the base?

One might consider the use of thumbtacks ! LOL

The use of a second hairlock is a possible answer although that would also require a second pin......some thing also NOT seen in old photos !

[Iowa_Boy]

One might consider the use of thumbtacks ! LOL

The use of a second hairlock is a possible answer although that would also require a second pin......some thing also NOT seen in old photos !

Sometimes the second hairlock was not held in place by a pin, but with a thong or small pin, which typically cannot be seen.

[wardancer]

Sometimes the second hairlock was not held in place by a pin, but with a thong or small pin, which typically cannot be seen.

still a pin.....whether or not it's seen would be up to the wearer.

[littleswan]

Sometimes the second hairlock was not held in place by a pin, but with a thong or small pin, which typically cannot be seen.

That's what I was thinking. A leather thoong would be hard to spot. I'd love not to have to use a second tie though.

If anyone knows about my original question about the spinning would be greatly appriciated.

[Steve StopsOnTime]

That's what I was thinking. A leather thoong would be hard to spot. I'd love not to have to use a second tie though.

If anyone knows about my original question about the spinning would be greatly appriciated.

Kola, Steve has went and offered tobacco and prayed for your answer.....the answer is Mimic the movement of our brother the bear, slow and slower. Don't dance like a chicken with it's head chopped off!!

Aho, Steve has spoken....

[littleswan]

Kola, Steve has went and offered tobacco and prayed for your answer.....the answer is Mimic the movement of our brother the bear, slow and slower. Don't dance like a chicken with it's head chopped off!!

Aho, Steve has spoken....

I gotcha. I guess I couldn't go around shaking my head like I am at a rock and roll concert. Seems as if I will have to take a chance with this smaller roach and hope for the best. If it has a spinning problem even with slower and more graceful movements, I will buck up and wear a second tie and hide It with something around my neck.

If anyone else has input on the spinning question let me know! You guys have been a good help. :)

[Iowa_Boy]

still a pin.....whether or not it's seen would be up to the wearer.

Sorry about the use of "pin". When most people think of a traditional dancer and a "roach pin" they tend to think of a large "stick-like" piece, that is often decorated in some way. The second "pin" is usually just a small 1" piece that does not extend out either side of the roach and is invisible from the sides.

[Joe's Dad]

littleswan, maybe you can enlighten me.

I see the pic in your avitar and I see your questions. I'm having a time figuring what style of dance you do that involves 'spins'.

If that is you in the avy, maybe you can unconfuse me. LOL

Thanks

[Zeke]

I think there's a very good possibility that a small roach won't spin, at all.

I've never had long enough hair to pull hair through and quill a roach, but have consistently gotten away with nothing beyond a W-I-D-E black shoe lace under my chin: even when I fancy danced with regularity.

Of course -- not that I was ever any good -- I preferred footwork over flips...

[littleswan]

littleswan, maybe you can enlighten me.

I see the pic in your avitar and I see your questions. I'm having a time figuring what style of dance you do that involves 'spins'.

If that is you in the avy, maybe you can unconfuse me. LOL

Thanks

Yes. That's me in the avatar picture. Its not the style of dance that requires a spin. The spin I am referring to is how my larger roach pivots around without a second tie towards the bottom of the base. I use the second tie of course, but I was wondering if it would be required for a smaller roach. I can't immagine they would be heavy enough to spin without the second tie to secure it.

Zeke. Thank you! After giving it some thought, I agree, I don't think it will have enough weight and momentum to spin. What size roach did you use?

[Zeke]

Zeke. Thank you! After giving it some thought, I agree, I don't think it will have enough weight and momentum to spin. What size roach did you use?

Uh, "normal size?"

I mean, mine is not one of those obtusely long ones but it does reach from the crown of my enormous melon down to the nape of my neck.

Maybe eighteen inches?

I think there's a photo of me somewhere on this site but I haven't seen it in years...

[Joe's Dad]

Yes. That's me in the avatar picture. Its not the style of dance that requires a spin. The spin I am referring to is how my larger roach pivots around without a second tie towards the bottom of the base. I use the second tie of course, but I was wondering if it would be required for a smaller roach. I can't immagine they would be heavy enough to spin without the second tie to secure it.

Zeke. Thank you! After giving it some thought, I agree, I don't think it will have enough weight and momentum to spin. What size roach did you use?

Thanks for the clarification. I would think either roach would need that second anchor point. Even the smaller roach will have enough mass to twirl on the single pivot point of a scalplock.