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    dose any one have a knowledge of wether or not the Blackfoot Nation has straight dance and if so would you mind shareing this info with me i am of Blackfoot desent and would like to make a set to reflect that
    thank you james

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    I never heard of a Blackfoot straight dancer. I always thought your people were chicken dancers. Seeing that your tribe invented the dance.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Scabzilla49?feature=mhee

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    • #3
      bBackfoot straight dancers

      First, are you Blackfoot or Blackfeet and what side of the border do you come from? Second, don't you have tribal peeps where you come from to tell you those things? Wannabee, maybe?

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      • #4
        Blackfoot Straight Dancers

        There are no Blackfoot Straight Dancers, however, there are Blackfoot Straight Traditional Dancers (Old Style). Similar to Sioux Old Style Dancers. As for Blackfoot tribes....there are Siksika, Kainai, Peigan, and South Peigan from the Blackfoot Confederacy.

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        • #5
          i am 1\4 blackfoot by my dad side of the family and have been razed white we are all from savanah ga. and there is no info on the styles down here or on the internet that i can find so i was shooting in the dark hopeing there was.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by creecher119 View Post
            i am 1\4 blackfoot by my dad side ... and have been razed white ....


            Okay. Now that we got that straight... "what color's your other foot?"
            Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WhoMe View Post
              Okay. Now that we got that straight... "what color's your other foot?"
              wow that realy made me lol

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              • #8
                Originally posted by creecher119 View Post
                i am 1\4 blackfoot by my dad side of the family and have been razed white we are all from savanah ga. and there is no info on the styles down here or on the internet that i can find so i was shooting in the dark hopeing there was.
                I have heard of Southern Blackfoot, also known as Blackfoot-Cherokee. Being that you're from Georgia, might this be the case?

                "Be good, be kind, help each other."
                "Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."

                --Abe Conklin, Ponca/Osage (1926-1995)

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                • #9
                  That Southern Blackfoot thing is actually a mistranslation- it is a sept of the Shawnee

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Historian View Post
                    I have heard of Southern Blackfoot, also known as Blackfoot-Cherokee. Being that you're from Georgia, might this be the case?
                    no i am not southern Blackfoot or Shawnee me and dad are northern Blackfoot

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                    • #11
                      I asked a fella from one of them blackfoot groups in canada about this and he said no, war dancing never made it out there.

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                      • #12
                        I've heard that the Kaispa or Parted Hair Society dance was the Blackfeet version of old style "war dancing." I read that it was transferred to the Blackfeet by the Assiniboine in the early 1900's. I'm sorry that I don't know the details.

                        A few years ago, the tribal council passed an edict that the tribe was to be formally known as Blackfeet, not Blackfoot.

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                        • #13
                          As far as the traditional dance societies of the Blackfeet, there aren't southern straight dance styles. In powwows, there are dancers of southern tribes who dance northern dance styles. Very few dancers of northern tribes dance southern dance styles. Same for singers. If you would to dance the southern straight dance style, find info for that.

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                          • #14
                            One thing that I can pass on, is that through my years of research into many written sources and interviews with quite a number of elders from numerous tribes, the Omaha/Grass Dance "seems" to have been tranferred, given or passed on in the following manner. Keep in mind, that this represents an educated theory at best, and there are still many differing opinions.

                            First, because a number of Pawnee sources to have the Iruska Dance origins prior to the Omaha/Ponca Hethuska origins, I will start with them.

                            Pawnee => Omaha (cir. 1820) ?
                            Pawnee => Arikara (cir. 1860)
                            Arikara => Crow
                            Crow => Shoshoni
                            Crow => Blackfoot (cir. 1883)
                            Blackfoot => Sarsi
                            Blackfoot => Flathead
                            Blackfoot => Nez Perce
                            Blackfoot => Yakima
                            Blackfoot => Kutenai

                            Next a number of Omaha/Ponca sources claim to have the Hethuska Dance origins which were once also Kaw, Quapaw, and Osage traditions hundreds of years ago, but the Omaha/Ponca maintained the traditions and the other three tribes did not. Later, after the Omaha and the Ponca split, the Omaha and Ponca passed on the traditions independently.

                            Omaha => Kiowa (cir. 1840)
                            Omaha => Yankton (cir. 1840)
                            Omaha => Yanktonai (cir. 1845)
                            Yankton => Lakota (cir. 1860)
                            Lakota => Assiniboine
                            Lakota => Gros Ventre
                            Lakota => Santee
                            Santee => White Earth Ojibway (1891)
                            White Earth Ojibway => Northern Potawatomi
                            White Earth Ojibway => Menomoni (1911)
                            White Earth Ojibway => Ho-Chunk
                            Northern Potawatomi => Kansas Potawatomi
                            Northern Potawatomi => Sac & Fox
                            Northern Potawatomi => Kickapoo

                            Ponca => Kaw (1881)
                            Ponca => Greyhorse Osage (1883)
                            Ponca => Skidi Pawnee (1911)
                            Ponca => Comanche (1916)
                            Ponca => Apache (1919)
                            Ponca => Sac & Fox
                            Ponca => Southern Cheyenne
                            Kaw => Pawhuska Osage (1884)
                            Pawhuska Osage => Hominy Creek Osage (1885)

                            While there are many other Plains and Prairie tribes that have Hethuska Dance, Omaha Dance, Grass Dance traditions, they are not as easy to trace the origins.

                            In addition, depending on the geographic location of the tribe or nation receiving the dance traditions, the tribe or nation that was passing the traditions on, and the time period they were passed, determined whether the traditions would evolve into a Northern Traditional dance style or a Southern Straight dance style.

                            I hope this helps.
                            Last edited by Historian; 01-09-2009, 11:54 AM.

                            "Be good, be kind, help each other."
                            "Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."

                            --Abe Conklin, Ponca/Osage (1926-1995)

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