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    Ok I know this is messed up subject by I am looking for some opinions from "REAL POWWOW PEOPLE"

    A small group who runs 2 traditional powwows per year is having a little problem. They usually have a host and an invited drum but usually a pick up drum or two show up. As a drum they expect to be there without paying admission.

    Here is the problem? Should they pay admission fees?

    Keep in mind that this is a small powwow that doesnt have many spectators. Everyone else, including dancers pay admission because it is an "association" type group.

    When my drum shows up as a pickup somewhere we have no problem paying admission fees, we dont care, we are there to sing and have some fun. We werent invited but they dont mind if we sing.

    There are two problems, sometimes the people running this powwow forget that you need drums and should respect them, but on the other hand, some drums expect to be treated as royalty and think they can do whatever they want and show up uninvited with no questions asked.

    My opinion was that if they could get more spectators and traders they wouldnt have to worry about it. The dancers wouldnt even have to pay.

    I want to hear some opinions that I can forward to them(anonymously, unless you want to be named).
    There are 2 types of people in the world...
    Really stupid people who think they are smart
    and
    Really smart people who think they are smart.

  • #2
    Originally posted by billyjoejimbob
    Ok I know this is messed up subject by I am looking for some opinions from "REAL POWWOW PEOPLE"

    A small group who runs 2 traditional powwows per year is having a little problem. They usually have a host and an invited drum but usually a pick up drum or two show up. As a drum they expect to be there without paying admission.

    Here is the problem? Should they pay admission fees?

    Keep in mind that this is a small powwow that doesnt have many spectators. Everyone else, including dancers pay admission because it is an "association" type group.

    When my drum shows up as a pickup somewhere we have no problem paying admission fees, we dont care, we are there to sing and have some fun. We werent invited but they dont mind if we sing.

    There are two problems, sometimes the people running this powwow forget that you need drums and should respect them, but on the other hand, some drums expect to be treated as royalty and think they can do whatever they want and show up uninvited with no questions asked.

    My opinion was that if they could get more spectators and traders they wouldnt have to worry about it. The dancers wouldnt even have to pay.

    I want to hear some opinions that I can forward to them(anonymously, unless you want to be named).
    First off, this group you're talking about is not running a traditional pow wow at all if they're charging anyone a fee to get in. Traditional pow wows are free to everyone - drums, dancers, and spectators. They also feed everyone in attendance.

    That cleared up - my opinion would be a resounding NO! They shouldn't have to pay anything. The committee should be happy that a drum has come to sing for their dance, and should do everything in their power to make them feel welcome (food, shelter, gas money if possible)...making them pay a gate fee isn't being very hospitable. I've actually never heard of a drum having to pay admission fees. I've heard of drums having to pay fees to enter contest (which I think is stupid as well, but that's another subject I guess). Drums should never have to pay to sing...unless they stink and sing on beat...then they should have to pay all the dancers for making us listen to them...just kidding...lol
    I think everyone on this rez is addicted to Harry Potter...lol...

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    • #3
      tradish powwows are the opposite from what you just described. theres no fees and pick up drums can make some extra cash over the weekend. in addition to being fed during supper break, all the dancers usually get paid. the pay varies from place to place.
      thanks dad for showing me the way, teaching me the language, and not leaving my mother...*L*

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      • #4
        ADDENDUM

        By tradish, I meant "Not Competition".

        Im just going with what everyone is used to hearing.
        Tradish or Comp? Tradish or Comp?

        I agree (not cause Im a singer) that all drums should be free. But where do you draw the line if any?

        Space restrictions?

        What about drums that people know are REALLY bad or do things the wrong way? Are people wrong to judge? (be honest, im sure many of you have been to a small powwow that undesirables show up at?) (anyone from PA, MD, NJ, WV, VA, IN, OH?)
        There are 2 types of people in the world...
        Really stupid people who think they are smart
        and
        Really smart people who think they are smart.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by billyjoejimbob
          ADDENDUM

          By tradish, I meant "Not Competition".

          Im just going with what everyone is used to hearing.
          Tradish or Comp? Tradish or Comp?

          I agree (not cause Im a singer) that all drums should be free. But where do you draw the line if any?

          Space restrictions?

          What about drums that people know are REALLY bad or do things the wrong way? Are people wrong to judge? (be honest, im sure many of you have been to a small powwow that undesirables show up at?) (anyone from PA, MD, NJ, WV, VA, IN, OH?)
          If you have space issues, then the committee should put on the flyer that only invited drums are welcome. If not, then they should be accomodating and welcome any group that shows up. If there is a group that can't sing well, then that's up to the MC as to how many songs they get during a weekend. I know that drums get mad nowadays if they get skipped, but it used to be common practice.

          As far as doing things the wrong way...who's way? That's a dangerous limb to get out on.

          Undesirables? Does this mean yahoos who can't sing? Drunks? Druggies? AIMsters? Feds? Gangsters? Tribal Council members? What are you talking about here?
          I think everyone on this rez is addicted to Harry Potter...lol...

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          • #6
            Wrong way as in not using "basic" drum protocol. IE-No one there but the drum with no cover. Always late. Always sing the wrong songs.

            Undesireables as in people who decided to be 'drummers' or 'chanters', people who sing english words about nature and god and mother earth. People who wear more animal parts than the animals in the zoo. etc.

            Everyone has their own definition of undesireables. Im sure Im in there somewhere since I am a non-indian singer.

            It is usually the same people over and over, they know about the powwow and never see a brochure.


            Im just looking to find out what other people do in these situations. What did you do? What were the reactions? What were the reprocussions if any?"
            There are 2 types of people in the world...
            Really stupid people who think they are smart
            and
            Really smart people who think they are smart.

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            • #7
              you've answered your own question

              "Everyone has their own definition of undesireables. Im sure Im in there somewhere since I am a non-indian singer. "


              leave it to the indians to make the desicions. if the only indians you have access to is here pws.com?, then maybe you shouldn't be having this powwow? call the boyscouts?
              Who the hell started this "Chimookamaan Phenomenon"?

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              • #8
                Singerdad, Injunboy and Ojibwecommodbod, you are wasting your time replying to this thread. This guy is talking about those WHITEMAN powwows that take place on the east coast. They are run by white people for white people. I don't give a sh-t what you do at your fake powwows and neither should any "real powwow person".

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                • #9
                  white guy complaining about who? white guys bein not ndn enough?

                  Originally posted by billyjoejimbob
                  Undesireables as in people who decided to be 'drummers' or 'chanters', people who sing english words about nature and god and mother earth. People who wear more animal parts than the animals in the zoo. etc.

                  Everyone has their own definition of undesireables. Im sure Im in there somewhere since I am a non-indian singer.

                  It is usually the same people over and over, they know about the powwow and never see a brochure.
                  Does anyone else see whats going on here? LOL
                  Mens inhumanity to each other is surpassed ONLY by what women do to each other.
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                  DEATH TO ALL LURKERS!!!! ME

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Singerdad
                    First off, this group you're talking about is not running a traditional pow wow at all if they're charging anyone a fee to get in. Traditional pow wows are free to everyone - drums, dancers, and spectators. They also feed everyone in attendance.

                    That cleared up - my opinion would be a resounding NO! They shouldn't have to pay anything. The committee should be happy that a drum has come to sing for their dance, and should do everything in their power to make them feel welcome (food, shelter, gas money if possible)...making them pay a gate fee isn't being very hospitable. I've actually never heard of a drum having to pay admission fees. I've heard of drums having to pay fees to enter contest (which I think is stupid as well, but that's another subject I guess). Drums should never have to pay to sing...unless they stink and sing on beat...then they should have to pay all the dancers for making us listen to them...just kidding...lol
                    i agree with this guy!

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                    • #11
                      I aint running the powwow. If I was I wouldnt charge drums. I dont want to run a powwow becuase I know it takes more than I can give or know.

                      As you can see, i asked for opinions.

                      I got some, on the subject and on white people in general.

                      Thanks to the people who replied on the subject, KMA to those who didnt and twisted another thrread into a HATE WHITEY post.

                      In the area Im talking about, the WHITEMAN powwows are the closest thing to resembling a powwow that you can find. Unless you want to walk around half naked, sleep under a tarp on a bear hide, eat squirrel meat you cooked on a fire you started with a rock and stick while referring to each other by your NDN names. (the walking around half naked thing would be too bad but have you seen the powwow wannabees in the northeast?)
                      There are 2 types of people in the world...
                      Really stupid people who think they are smart
                      and
                      Really smart people who think they are smart.

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                      • #12
                        get the point

                        its you who doesn't get the point. find a new hobby. quit tryin to come on here like everyone is gunna support you. leave it alone man, you and your whole gang, play cowboys or something.
                        Who the hell started this "Chimookamaan Phenomenon"?

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                        • #13
                          The cowboys always won when I was growing up.
                          There are 2 types of people in the world...
                          Really stupid people who think they are smart
                          and
                          Really smart people who think they are smart.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Purple Reign
                            ....This guy is talking about those WHITEMAN powwows that take place on the east coast. They are run by white people for white people. I don't give a sh-t what you do at your fake powwows and neither should any "real powwow person".
                            This is the only post that should be up here.

                            Lets try not to encourage this behaviour. *lol*

                            Next thing you know they will be critiquing how our cermoines are being run.

                            I know some people are going to get mad, but the only people who really understand what it's like to be on this side of the fence are the real "NDN"'s.

                            AHO


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                            *A man can be as great as he wants to be. If you believe in yourself and have the courage, the determination, the dedication, the competitive drive and if you are willing to sacrifice the little things in life and pay the price for the things that are worthwhile, it can be done. - Vince Lombardi

                            *Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work. - Vince Lombardi

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                            • #15
                              HULK - I agree, and for a 3rd time Ill mention that I asked for opinions. I have nothing to do with running the powwow.

                              OJIBCOMBOD-are you having a conversation with yourself, i never said 'get the point'. I guess you are just trying to sound more mean and bad by setting yourself up with a good comeback....to yourself?!? This was a serious post, NDN or WHITE, didnt matter until some wanabe militant, super NDNs turned it into a race issue.

                              When someone asks me a question, I dont tell them to go F** themselves. A punk azz idiot kid or a born again NDN would though.

                              Not every non-NDN is out to get you. Just like not ALL cops racial profile, not all koreans hate blacks and not all german people are white supremacists.

                              Thanks to all who helped me.

                              KMA to the rest of you.
                              There are 2 types of people in the world...
                              Really stupid people who think they are smart
                              and
                              Really smart people who think they are smart.

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