Ohio Powwows

[yellowbearwmn]

Well it's been a while since I have posted. There have been many things go on.
However my nephew who took me to the Spirit of the bison powwow last year has made a heart renching decision.
He has decided to leave ohio and tranfser from Kent state to North west (not sure which college he will go to as he has been accepted to several).
Ryan was looking forward to getting involved with NASA at Kent state but there is no interest by other "Native" students.
Too much talk.
And now he is finding out things about some of the Ohio powwows and the people who go to them.
Some of the people are definitely wannabes, others are skins who are taking advantage of the situtation and pulling the buckskin over peoples eyes.
Ryan has found out about some of the "Drums" in ohio some are blood and some aren't however both sets are not being the right way about things. Acting all Native in public but as soon as they are out of the way of public, they are back stabbers. They have forgotten their teachings.
Powwow committees are also a problem.
Ryan has called several of the powow committees trying to get information, and has been met with a wannabe know it all attitude. At first I thought that he was just over reacting.
I called some of them. And he was not kidding.
The people at Lancaster are a major joke as is their head of heads some wannabe named Hoka. He claims this and that yet only accepts someone if it benefits him. He also let's his friends get away with stuff an shuts out good people.
While I was impressed with the drum Thunder Nation. Ryan found out some things about this drum that really disturb me.
Biggotry should never be part of a drum.
Neither should alcohol or drugs.
Ryan found good head dancers being replaced by apples or wannabes. This is sad.
I haven't seen one powwow listing with that sound company that was at Spirit of the Bison, what's up with that?
They are a good group of people! Their CDs are an honor to our people. This group is respectful and does their best to give back.
The hatred for two spirits in ohio is terrible. Didn't your grandmothers teach you that the Creator gave these people the blessing of carrying both male and female medicine?
I think the "People" of Ohio need to wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop your bullying, hatred, biggotry, lying, stealing, back stabbing, guessing at culture. Get with it people!
You are forgetting it's not about you, but it's about the people as a whole!!! Stand together and help each other!
Remember who has defended you, and who has fed you!
Who has offered warm shelter or a shoulder for comfort.
Who has offered to help with little or no request for compensation.
Take a long hard look at your true culture.
Are you Indian Acting white? and then complaining about the whites acting indian?
Remember the Ancestors and the Creator are relying upon you to live the right way.
If someone has been disrespected, dishonored, and hurt. Make sure that they are taken care of in the right way.
They need to be gone to and forgiveness publically asked for.
Don't use someone to get a recording or sound and then shut them out.
Don't use someone to get free food and then hurt them with lies.
Don't claim to be "Relative" if you can't stand behind the people.
Don't claim to know someone if you don't, (especially when that person is a prominent elder).

Take a long hard look at your drum groups and the people around it. Are they living the right way? Are they praying?

Arena Directors, the burden is on you to make sure that the right things are happening in the circle. It's not a circus.

Head Dancers make sure that you know the Traditions, and to deal with mistakes in an honorable way.

Powwow committees you need to make things right with people you have done wrong. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Don't stab people in the back when things don't always go your way!!!!

Elders (I say this with great respect) it is your place to make sure that things are done right. Step up and stop the wrong doings and the hateful actions that are on a rampage up there.

Two Spirits, Just continue to be you. And Thank you.

Veterans, thank you for your sacrifices.
Wannabe vetereans, get a life and stop trying to be something you are not.

And for the following wannabes (I do now have the proof to back up these allegations of wannabe)

Hoka
Hawkwind
One Eagle Woman
Jim Standing Bear
Corky Knox
Chief Kountz
Singing Turtle
John Spotted Horse
Panther
Mother Earth Beat (entire drum)
Sweet Grass woman
Rainbow dreamer
Blanket Trade Powwow Committee
Shadowwolf and his lackeys
War Paint Pony
Silver Fox Mountain Sun
Butterfly Dancer
Walks in Beauty.

and so many more,

It is a matter of time till you the paper work is in the right hands.

You all need to make things right.

Live the right way, do things right. and make amends for what you have done wrong.

As for my nephew leaving Ohio. I am happy.
At least I know he knows who and what he is and doesn't want to be something he isn't.

I felt it was time for someone to speak up.
Go ahead and bash away. It's no grease off my fry bread!

For those of you in Ohio who are trying to do the right things,
my family may consider contacting you and coming to your function to participate.

[billyjoejimbob]

You go yellow bear!!!!

Its like that in MANY states.

I find that the people who act as know it alls and question everything are sometimes doing so to weed out undesireables.

There are people and drums who TRY, but there are also those who just refuse to learn. They come up with their own protocols, rules and beliefs.

[KoolNDN]

Don't hold back tell us how you really feel LOL!

Its a given - your talking OHIO Powwows.

[musicedu77]

Well it's been a while since I have posted. There have been many things go on.
However my nephew who took me to the Spirit of the bison powwow last year has made a heart renching decision.
He has decided to leave ohio and tranfser from Kent state to North west (not sure which college he will go to as he has been accepted to several).
Ryan was looking forward to getting involved with NASA at Kent state but there is no interest by other "Native" students.
Too much talk.
And now he is finding out things about some of the Ohio powwows and the people who go to them.
Some of the people are definitely wannabes, others are skins who are taking advantage of the situtation and pulling the buckskin over peoples eyes.
Ryan has found out about some of the "Drums" in ohio some are blood and some aren't however both sets are not being the right way about things. Acting all Native in public but as soon as they are out of the way of public, they are back stabbers. They have forgotten their teachings.
Powwow committees are also a problem.
Ryan has called several of the powow committees trying to get information, and has been met with a wannabe know it all attitude. At first I thought that he was just over reacting.
I called some of them. And he was not kidding.
The people at Lancaster are a major joke as is their head of heads some wannabe named Hoka. He claims this and that yet only accepts someone if it benefits him. He also let's his friends get away with stuff an shuts out good people.
While I was impressed with the drum Thunder Nation. Ryan found out some things about this drum that really disturb me.
Biggotry should never be part of a drum.
Neither should alcohol or drugs.
Ryan found good head dancers being replaced by apples or wannabes. This is sad.
I haven't seen one powwow listing with that sound company that was at Spirit of the Bison, what's up with that?
They are a good group of people! Their CDs are an honor to our people. This group is respectful and does their best to give back.
The hatred for two spirits in ohio is terrible. Didn't your grandmothers teach you that the Creator gave these people the blessing of carrying both male and female medicine?
I think the "People" of Ohio need to wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop your bullying, hatred, biggotry, lying, stealing, back stabbing, guessing at culture. Get with it people!
You are forgetting it's not about you, but it's about the people as a whole!!! Stand together and help each other!
Remember who has defended you, and who has fed you!
Who has offered warm shelter or a shoulder for comfort.
Who has offered to help with little or no request for compensation.
Take a long hard look at your true culture.
Are you Indian Acting white? and then complaining about the whites acting indian?
Remember the Ancestors and the Creator are relying upon you to live the right way.
If someone has been disrespected, dishonored, and hurt. Make sure that they are taken care of in the right way.
They need to be gone to and forgiveness publically asked for.
Don't use someone to get a recording or sound and then shut them out.
Don't use someone to get free food and then hurt them with lies.
Don't claim to be "Relative" if you can't stand behind the people.
Don't claim to know someone if you don't, (especially when that person is a prominent elder).

Take a long hard look at your drum groups and the people around it. Are they living the right way? Are they praying?

Arena Directors, the burden is on you to make sure that the right things are happening in the circle. It's not a circus.

Head Dancers make sure that you know the Traditions, and to deal with mistakes in an honorable way.

Powwow committees you need to make things right with people you have done wrong. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Don't stab people in the back when things don't always go your way!!!!

Elders (I say this with great respect) it is your place to make sure that things are done right. Step up and stop the wrong doings and the hateful actions that are on a rampage up there.

Two Spirits, Just continue to be you. And Thank you.

Veterans, thank you for your sacrifices.
Wannabe vetereans, get a life and stop trying to be something you are not.

And for the following wannabes (I do now have the proof to back up these allegations of wannabe)

Hoka
Hawkwind
One Eagle Woman
Jim Standing Bear
Corky Knox
Chief Kountz
Singing Turtle
John Spotted Horse
Panther
Mother Earth Beat (entire drum)
Sweet Grass woman
Rainbow dreamer
Blanket Trade Powwow Committee
Shadowwolf and his lackeys
War Paint Pony
Silver Fox Mountain Sun
Butterfly Dancer
Walks in Beauty.

and so many more,

It is a matter of time till you the paper work is in the right hands.

You all need to make things right.

Live the right way, do things right. and make amends for what you have done wrong.

As for my nephew leaving Ohio. I am happy.
At least I know he knows who and what he is and doesn't want to be something he isn't.

I felt it was time for someone to speak up.
Go ahead and bash away. It's no grease off my fry bread!

For those of you in Ohio who are trying to do the right things,
my family may consider contacting you and coming to your function to participate.

I totally see exactly where you are coming from.
There is also another liar/wannabe that I've been hearing about in Ohio on a post in powwows.com. Help me out here pplz Chief Soft Shell Turtle I think that's his name but that definitly should be added to the list. Did I get the name right? I know very little about him only ppl telling me whats what in Ohio. He said his daughter won Ann Arbor Powwow I think it was fancy shawl and there is no such name on the record. Theres more I think you should just have to look at his name. Kent State NASA, I tried to get a hold of them seeing if they would like to be sponsorers and no reply back. I was bummed. Our organization we have problem with all 6 people out of 23 do not attending meetings. I have gotten on their case time and time again. Your son can take a look at our temporary website (I say temp because we are transferring to the university server) at http://www.geocities.com/amisca06/index.html
If he signs up, he can be placed either under a active membership list if he would like to attend meetings or be put on a mailing list. If he has anymore questions he can contact me directly here.

[StandnWolf]

I'm not going to use the entire quote from Yellowbearwmn, it's too long to put in here, besides you can read it all and then come back to this post. I am sorry you have gotten the opinion of the ppl who's names you put out here for all to see. Some are friends of mine and others I don't speak of, because I don't know them. Of the ones I do know, you need to go talk to them and get to know them a little better, I think you'll find you may have made a mistake in your judgement of them. Shadow Wolf for one trys to honor our Vets with his POW-MIA area and is a fine and loving man, his wife works by his side and believe me it's work. I for one am grateful to him and all he does, his message is "never forget".
Another is Corky, he also is a wonderful man and has helped more ppl than you know. He walks in the right way and isn't ashamed to be who he is, if you took time to talk with him and approach him like a human being, you'd see that.
As for Hoka, he is very good man and maybe he does give some ppl heck and not others. But yelling? I have NEVER heard him yell at anyone, he tries sometimes too hard to please everyone, that may be the one fault he does have. But it's a good one.
John Spotted Horse an honorable man who does things behind the scenes to help and never looks for glory.
I don't know why you have attacked these people, the ones i know and the ones I don't. As for "proof" who cares?
Yes many things go wrong at pow wows, here and other places too. People do wrong things and gossip and all that you have written, but not all of them do that.
I hope you will read this and understand, I could not sit by and watch you trash people that you clearly don't know as well as you think. With respect to you, I ask that you get to know some of these people a little better, then make your decision. Don't go by your first encounter, maybe it was a bad day for them, who knows? Maybe it was one of those days when you've been up 18 hrs. getting a pow wow together,working with the commitee, helping vendors, or hungry, many things may have influenced them and you.

[Mato Winyan]

Don't go by your first encounter, maybe it was a bad day for them, who knows?

SW..... if you click the link in my post up there you can read of her first encounter........ nothing but praises. It wasn't until later that her nephew gossiped to her about these things that she got all upset and is now posting...... she has no first hand info ...... so just let it go through one ear and out the other then let it fall where it may ....amoungst the dung.

[StandnWolf]

SW..... if you click the link in my post up there you can read of her first encounter........ nothing but praises. It wasn't until later that her nephew gossiped to her about these things that she got all upset and is now posting...... she has no first hand info ...... so just let it go through one ear and out the other then let it fall where it may ....amoungst the dung.

I read all her posts I could find before I came back here with my response. I know she praised and then she dumped on ppl who've never hurt her or anyone else that I know of. I am expecting to be on her "list" LOL! It's ok, as long as ppl talk about me, their leavin some other poor person alone yanno?
Thanks Mato.... < steppin back so I don't get any dung on me>

[StandnWolf]

SW..... if you click the link in my post up there you can read of her first encounter........ nothing but praises. It wasn't until later that her nephew gossiped to her about these things that she got all upset and is now posting...... she has no first hand info ...... so just let it go through one ear and out the other then let it fall where it may ....amoungst the dung.

I expect to be next on her "list" thats ok, pick on me, that just means ur not pickin on someone else. Thanks Mato

[yellowbearwmn]

You go yellow bear!!!!

Its like that in MANY states.

I find that the people who act as know it alls and question everything are sometimes doing so to weed out undesireables.

There are people and drums who TRY, but there are also those who just refuse to learn. They come up with their own protocols, rules and beliefs.

I agree, thank you for your post.
It's good to see others who already have their eyes open.

[yellowbearwmn]

Don't hold back tell us how you really feel LOL!

Its a given - your talking OHIO Powwows.

For this moment and thread yes! But not all Ohio powwows.

and ok I won't hold back

remember you asked for it.

[yellowbearwmn]

I totally see exactly where you are coming from.
There is also another liar/wannabe that I've been hearing about in Ohio on a post in powwows.com. Help me out here pplz Chief Soft Shell Turtle I think that's his name but that definitly should be added to the list. Did I get the name right? I know very little about him only ppl telling me whats what in Ohio. He said his daughter won Ann Arbor Powwow I think it was fancy shawl and there is no such name on the record. Theres more I think you should just have to look at his name. Kent State NASA, I tried to get a hold of them seeing if they would like to be sponsorers and no reply back. I was bummed. Our organization we have problem with all 6 people out of 23 do not attending meetings. I have gotten on their case time and time again. Your son can take a look at our temporary website (I say temp because we are transferring to the university server) at http://www.geocities.com/amisca06/index.html
If he signs up, he can be placed either under a active membership list if he would like to attend meetings or be put on a mailing list. If he has anymore questions he can contact me directly here.

Yes Tommy Soft Shell Turtle is on my list also, just no hard paperwork in my hot little hands yet.
My resources say he will probably be at a powwow in Lancaster soon.

As for my nephew Ryan, he has already moved off campus and is in the process of shipping his stuff to Washington State.

[yellowbearwmn]

I'm not going to use the entire quote from Yellowbearwmn, it's too long to put in here, besides you can read it all and then come back to this post. I am sorry you have gotten the opinion of the ppl who's names you put out here for all to see.

It is not just an opinion, it's hard cold facts that are substantiated by paper documentation.

Some are friends of mine and others I don't speak of, because I don't know them. Of the ones I do know, you need to go talk to them and get to know them a little better, I think you'll find you may have made a mistake in your judgement of them.

I think that you need to reanalize your relationship with these people. Unless you are one of the wannabes who run around in dyed cowskin, or dyed deer skin and wanna shake your booty an be all new wave.
The biggest mistake I have made was taking so long to post the truth.

Shadow Wolf for one trys to honor our Vets with his POW-MIA area and is a fine and loving man, his wife works by his side and believe me it's work. I for one am grateful to him and all he does, his message is "never forget".

This person is not enrolled in any tribe, and I am still waiting to see if this person's family is indeed native.
He claimes Eastern Cherokee. Not so.
Also we have people looking into his military background.
I know about this person's traveling show.
his Exploitations of a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient.
His exploitations of people and committees.
He uses people to get what he wants.
I have seen and have a considerable amount of documentation regarding this man and his show.

Another is Corky, he also is a wonderful man and has helped more ppl than you know. He walks in the right way and isn't ashamed to be who he is, if you took time to talk with him and approach him like a human being, you'd see that.

Corky Knox or what ever he is going by these days is not what he says he is. He is not an enrolled member of the Tlingit Nation. I have the paperwork from the tribe that verifies this. We are checking on his residency for the state at this time.
The Tlingit Tribe has never heard of Corky Knox, Ellwood Knox, Corky Clairmont, Ellwood Clairmont.
He is NOT, I repeat Not from the RAVEN CLAN.
This is verifiable through the Clan registrations.

As for Hoka, he is very good man and maybe he does give some ppl heck and not others. But yelling? I have NEVER heard him yell at anyone, he tries sometimes too hard to please everyone, that may be the one fault he does have. But it's a good one.

This man is not enrolled in the Blood (from Canada) nor the Peigan people. He does not know the language. He also does not know an eagle feather from a owl feather.
Who said this person yelled???? If you are claiming I did, then you need to get your eyes checked.
This man is also one who claims to have knowledge that he does not!
He has no authority to do many of the things he does, especially on his own. Such as bestowing Elder status on people. Especially since they are not from his nation.
He has no special "Medicine Man" powers.

John Spotted Horse an honorable man who does things behind the scenes to help and never looks for glory.
I don't know why you have attacked these people, the ones i know and the ones I don't. As for "proof" who cares?
Yes many things go wrong at pow wows, here and other places too. People do wrong things and gossip and all that you have written, but not all of them do that.

Song theft is serious.

I hope you will read this and understand, I could not sit by and watch you trash people that you clearly don't know as well as you think. With respect to you, I ask that you get to know some of these people a little better, then make your decision. Don't go by your first encounter, maybe it was a bad day for them, who knows? Maybe it was one of those days when you've been up 18 hrs. getting a pow wow together,working with the commitee, helping vendors, or hungry, many things may have influenced them and you.

I have helped run 49rs (we only participate in sober 49s)
I have relatives in Ohio that give me a lead and I follow up with research and documentation.

I have been up for a whole weekend without sleep.

The whole issue is to uncover the frauds.

Like the new agers running around acting all cool with a horse tail tied to their head, or running bearfoot (now I do understand that some eastern tribes do dance barefoot) this should never be done at an intertribal.
The new age wannabes in their chocolate, blue, green, red and bi colored skin dresses. How wannabish can one be?
Oh women who dance like Kevin Costner in Dances? LOL.
Women out here Have no clue, but then neither do many from what I have seen.

I will bring out more info soon.
Just wait.
So grab your fry bread, Popcorn, and pepsi and get ready for it to hit.

[wardancer]

"The more feathers you see on a dancer during the day, the more empty bottles are in the garbage can at night !"
well , you can bash all you want ! I tend to agree with Mato.
The above quote is from another thread written by your praised one ! BJJB. Another two sided coin !

[lostsalt]

"The more feathers you see on a dancer during the day, the more empty bottles are in the garbage can at night !"
well , you can bash all you want ! I tend to agree with Mato.
The above quote is from another thread written by your praised one ! BJJB. Another two sided coin !

Where is that post now?, How is this going unaddressed, or was it addressed by just deleteing the post.
How convinient.

I think I've seen this movie before.

[wardancer]

Where is that post now?, How is this going unaddressed, or was it addressed by just deleteing the post.
How convinient.

I think I've seen this movie before.

Last I looked , lostsalt , it was still in the other thread. She saw fit to praise his post here , I just thought she should see the other side of the coin !