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  • Dancing at your own Powwow

    here's a subject that prolly will be a heated one..

    whats your veiw of this? personally I'm against it. I think it absolutely kills a powwow when majority of local people from that powwows rez takes top nods in contests.
    I DO think that it is ok to dance at your rez's powwow but dont COMPETE..the powwow is there for the visiters and it looks really bad when people and better dancers for that matter get the shaft because some local rez person takes 1st place. Dont be greedy skins!!!!!...let visiters have a chance...if you wanna compete, go to another powwow!! if not, just have fun and exibition...just my point of veiw, cause I seen a few big powwows on some rez's where local dancers clean up from tiny tots to golden age and that looks hella bad...what ya'll think?
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  • #2
    Didn't I see this kind of thread a while back?

    I think any tribal member should partake in their own pow-wows whether it be contesting, spectating, etc. After all, it is like a homecoming, so why should they be excluded from contesting? That's why different judges from all over are picked to make it fair.

    There are pow-wows I've seen where their own tribal members could only compete, so I guess it would depend on the committee on who gets to participate and compete.
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    • #3
      i do believe its a regional thing .. competing at your own pow wows. around where i am from .. it is a BIG NO NO to dance at your "own" pow wow.

      i dont think it is right to compete at your home reserves' or tribal pow wow .. its suppose to be a way for visitors to come to your home reserve etc., what way is that to welcome your guests? thanks for dancing but yeah .. we wanted all the locals to win the prize money offered

      and if it was suppose to be a "homecoming" style event .. they should state it on the poster. everyone knows what homecoming really means .. pick the worst team in your area so ya can beat em on your home turf and win .. lol. so that people know not to come there .. visitors that is.

      but there are pow wows and/or committees that do not allow their members from registering to compete .. jus to be more fair to the visitors that are coming.
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      • #4
        but then again .. some areas get a reputation of only locals win .. after awhile. so no one goes there anymore .. or people that dont know its like that and find out once they start announcing winners lol.

        so then it becomes the "homecoming" event that they were striving for .. i guess lol

        i wonder if after a while, if they wonder why its only locals there at their pow wow?

        sure they supposedly pick judges from all over .. but what if there are no visitors from all over cuz of the reputation of the area?
        Watch your broken dreams...
        Dance in and out of the beams of a neon moon

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        • #5
          Dude, that's a tough answer. My family puts up a small powwow in the long weekend in August. My kids and probably three cousins kids dance all weekend, we make sure they dance in all of the intertribals. Well these kids have been dancing for a whole lot of years. There are approximately 14-15 of them when they all dance. This past powwow, they all placed. Most people know these kids are the only ones who dance at other powwows around BC and Washington. I can't think of anybody who said they shouldn't place. Its really cool to watch them because they are way more polished than most of the other dancers due to them all having way more experience of contesting at bigger powwows. Now if our kids didn't dance then there would only be about 40-50 dancers. I have some uncles that dance and a couple of older cousins but if we didn't dance then there would not be very many dancers. I sometimes feel funny when they are calling the names but a friend of mine said that everybody can see these kids are way better, even the people who never attend powwows. Nobody appears to get mad but I don't know.

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          • #6
            Yeah, I guess it must be a regional thing because I see alot people competing at their "own" pow-wow. One in particular, the Alabama-Coushatta tribe of Texas, host their annual pow-wow in June of ever year. Tribal members as well as visitors are allowed to compete for various prizes. We try our best to be hospitable and fair to everyone. We're not discriminatory. *LOL*
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ac_miss View Post
              Yeah, I guess it must be a regional thing because I see alot people competing at their "own" pow-wow. One in particular, the Alabama-Coushatta tribe of Texas, host their annual pow-wow in June of ever year. Tribal members as well as visitors are allowed to compete for various prizes. We try our best to be hospitable and fair to everyone. We're not discriminatory. *LOL*
              dont get me wrong skins...its ok to dance at your tribal powwow, but why must ya'll compete? whats wrong with just going out there and jammin out exhibition style? the whole point of a powwow, specially from a committie stand-point is to DRAW in the crowds, bring in out of state or province dancers to your powwow so it will be bigger and better every year, not decline the numbers.
              Again I'm not trying to gripe around but I hear that same excuse over and over "oh well, I'm from here but not from this band" so what...when you go to other powwows you still put that place on your location when you win..you get a rep for that, even if you do deserve to win.
              you'll always see a local skin win at his own powwow, but when you see locals win 1st-3rd out of 4 or 5 places in each catagory, it really discourages people from long ways away to come back...trust me I know, and I know ya'll do to. People will say the drums were rockin, big powwow, nice hospitality, but I dont think I'll go back cause the locals will clean up anyways...and people dont like that, they wanna spend there money to go to a far away powwow so they stand at least a fraction of a chance..lets be honest. and the moccasin telegraph spreads fast among ndn peoples at powwows about that stuff.
              I myself have that same dilema. I have a wife who runs her rez's powwow, as well as my father-in-law,and even though I'm not technically from this particular rez,I dont compete, cause its not good for business, people will be quick to say "oh this guy won cause he's from here and his wife is on the committie, prolly rigged it up and changed the scores." people always say that stuff when they dont get in. not all, but some do.
              And as far as using Judges from out of rez....thats a weak one...doesnt matter if the dude is from timbucktwo..chances are 3-5 judges know you or your familly and will place you as a "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours favor" meaning if I place you hear, hope you place me here. you know how it goes.
              again..these are just my veiws....
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              • #8
                I can see your viewpoint, but unfortunately, not every pow-wow can be the same. We're all different. I suppose in your region you can't compete, whereas at mine, we can.
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                • #9
                  I was at a pow-wow where someone was griping because most of the winners were local. What they failed to notice was that the pow-wow was pretty small, and most of the dancers were from right there anyway.
                  It is so sad that a family can torn apart by something as simple as a wild pack of dogs.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kneegrow_native View Post
                    I was at a pow-wow where someone was griping because most of the winners were local. What they failed to notice was that the pow-wow was pretty small, and most of the dancers were from right there anyway.
                    Wellllllllll......... our pow-wow did become a bit smaller since Red Earth in OKC changed their date to the same weekend as ours a few years back. We do still have a quite a bit of faithful powwow goers that come every year. We've been criticized for "catering" to the ever faithful, but that's not true and I won't elaborate on that issue.
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                    • #11
                      I just don't think there is much you can do if your main pow-wow dancer and drummer demograph is local. Now if your pow-wow was a lot larger and had a lot of visitors, then I would say let the visitors dance for it.

                      Back when I used to try and dance, I wouldn't compete at home, just my own personal choice.
                      It is so sad that a family can torn apart by something as simple as a wild pack of dogs.

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                      • #12
                        there are regional differences here that most may or may not realize ... i do know that there are no "reserves" in oklahoma so to speak like the rest of the country ... jus like areas where the majority of a tribe lives (kiowas near carnegie, comanches near lawton, etc.) and say in saskatchewan we have reserves (sweetgrass first nation, poundmaker cree nation, onion lake first nation, etc.).

                        and smaller "groups" put on pow wows in those areas in ok, and in sask the host reserve provides the prize money. so it is harder for some people not to dance at their "own" pow wows .. say a commanche group hosts a pow wow, of course there are going to be comanches dancing there .. lol. but it wouldnt be really acceptable for say the presidents' children and spouse to dance and compete.

                        but im sure you would hear an uproar if say the whole tootoosis family (alana tootoosis baker and her sons, colby and his siblings or my daughters for that matter) danced at our first nations pow wow and placed .. this would never ever happen tho. just giving an example. but they would dance and step off when judging began or jus not have a number ..

                        same thing goes for drums .. we can all remember the time "heartland" set up at saddlelake pow wow and won the drumming contest. heartland was in essence northern cree without the saddle lake band members present (do believe its was four or three members that sat out) .. sure they werent totally northern cree but people still know them from being "from" there.

                        same thing happened to wild horse .. when they sat up and won the gold eagle casino pow wow last year .. some of the members of the group do work at the casino (didnt sing or assist in the picking of drum judges but were part of the pow wow committee as assist arena directors) and some do live in the city of north battleford (where the pow wow is held but most are from area first nation reserves). alot of the people thought they jus won .. cuz they were "from" there ...

                        allz im saying .. it jus doesnt look good .. for the host community ..
                        Watch your broken dreams...
                        Dance in and out of the beams of a neon moon

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chazziff View Post
                          there are regional differences here that most may or may not realize ... i do know that there are no "reserves" in oklahoma so to speak like the rest of the country ... jus like areas where the majority of a tribe lives (kiowas near carnegie, comanches near lawton, etc.) and say in saskatchewan we have reserves (sweetgrass first nation, poundmaker cree nation, onion lake first nation, etc.).

                          and smaller "groups" put on pow wows in those areas in ok, and in sask the host reserve provides the prize money. so it is harder for some people not to dance at their "own" pow wows .. say a commanche group hosts a pow wow, of course there are going to be comanches dancing there .. lol. but it wouldnt be really acceptable for say the presidents' children and spouse to dance and compete.

                          but im sure you would hear an uproar if say the whole tootoosis family (alana tootoosis baker and her sons, colby and his siblings or my daughters for that matter) danced at our first nations pow wow and placed .. this would never ever happen tho. just giving an example. but they would dance and step off when judging began or jus not have a number ..

                          same thing goes for drums .. we can all remember the time "heartland" set up at saddlelake pow wow and won the drumming contest. heartland was in essence northern cree without the saddle lake band members present (do believe its was four or three members that sat out) .. sure they werent totally northern cree but people still know them from being "from" there.

                          same thing happened to wild horse .. when they sat up and won the gold eagle casino pow wow last year .. some of the members of the group do work at the casino (didnt sing or assist in the picking of drum judges but were part of the pow wow committee as assist arena directors) and some do live in the city of north battleford (where the pow wow is held but most are from area first nation reserves). alot of the people thought they jus won .. cuz they were "from" there ...

                          allz im saying .. it jus doesnt look good .. for the host community ..
                          well put...that was my whole point
                          [SIGPIC]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chazziff View Post
                            there are regional differences here that most may or may not realize ... i do know that there are no "reserves" in oklahoma so to speak like the rest of the country ... jus like areas where the majority of a tribe lives (kiowas near carnegie, comanches near lawton, etc.) and say in saskatchewan we have reserves (sweetgrass first nation, poundmaker cree nation, onion lake first nation, etc.).

                            and smaller "groups" put on pow wows in those areas in ok, and in sask the host reserve provides the prize money. so it is harder for some people not to dance at their "own" pow wows .. say a commanche group hosts a pow wow, of course there are going to be comanches dancing there .. lol. but it wouldnt be really acceptable for say the presidents' children and spouse to dance and compete.

                            but im sure you would hear an uproar if say the whole tootoosis family (alana tootoosis baker and her sons, colby and his siblings or my daughters for that matter) danced at our first nations pow wow and placed .. this would never ever happen tho. just giving an example. but they would dance and step off when judging began or jus not have a number ..

                            same thing goes for drums .. we can all remember the time "heartland" set up at saddlelake pow wow and won the drumming contest. heartland was in essence northern cree without the saddle lake band members present (do believe its was four or three members that sat out) .. sure they werent totally northern cree but people still know them from being "from" there.

                            same thing happened to wild horse .. when they sat up and won the gold eagle casino pow wow last year .. some of the members of the group do work at the casino (didnt sing or assist in the picking of drum judges but were part of the pow wow committee as assist arena directors) and some do live in the city of north battleford (where the pow wow is held but most are from area first nation reserves). alot of the people thought they jus won .. cuz they were "from" there ...

                            allz im saying .. it jus doesnt look good .. for the host community ..
                            well put...that was my whole point
                            [SIGPIC]

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chazziff View Post
                              there are regional differences here that most may or may not realize ... i do know that there are no "reserves" in oklahoma so to speak like the rest of the country ... jus like areas where the majority of a tribe lives (kiowas near carnegie, comanches near lawton, etc.) and say in saskatchewan we have reserves (sweetgrass first nation, poundmaker cree nation, onion lake first nation, etc.).

                              and smaller "groups" put on pow wows in those areas in ok, and in sask the host reserve provides the prize money. so it is harder for some people not to dance at their "own" pow wows .. say a commanche group hosts a pow wow, of course there are going to be comanches dancing there .. lol. but it wouldnt be really acceptable for say the presidents' children and spouse to dance and compete.

                              but im sure you would hear an uproar if say the whole tootoosis family (alana tootoosis baker and her sons, colby and his siblings or my daughters for that matter) danced at our first nations pow wow and placed .. this would never ever happen tho. just giving an example. but they would dance and step off when judging began or jus not have a number ..

                              same thing goes for drums .. we can all remember the time "heartland" set up at saddlelake pow wow and won the drumming contest. heartland was in essence northern cree without the saddle lake band members present (do believe its was four or three members that sat out) .. sure they werent totally northern cree but people still know them from being "from" there.

                              same thing happened to wild horse .. when they sat up and won the gold eagle casino pow wow last year .. some of the members of the group do work at the casino (didnt sing or assist in the picking of drum judges but were part of the pow wow committee as assist arena directors) and some do live in the city of north battleford (where the pow wow is held but most are from area first nation reserves). alot of the people thought they jus won .. cuz they were "from" there ...

                              allz im saying .. it jus doesnt look good .. for the host community ..
                              well put...that was my whole point
                              [SIGPIC]

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