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  • #61
    Originally posted by Wojapi4Me View Post
    Well, I wasn't there either, but I'm going to add my two cents

    I happen to agree wholeheartedly with superndngyrl...if people won and are owed money, it's not greedy or childish for them to try to collect. If you were shorted hours on your paycheck, you'd sure complain to the HR department or whoever to get that straightened out wouldn't you? If the IRS shorted you, you'd certainly call them. So, why can't pow wow people do the same?
    Well for one thing, one is guaranteed money and the other is a risk....if you have hours that are short, you might have filled out your time card wrong and screwed yourself, or you have an incompetent supervisor who does not go thru all timecards looking for mistakes, so you beat his azz for it and get it straightened out, unless you work for a cheap company, with that you screwed the pooch again. IRS shorts you, well good luck in that (you're dealing with government there, LOL!!!)...as for a powwow, you knew the risk you took of whether or not if you were going to place there, unless you already bought off the judges or are related to them or had drinks the night before with them...it's a risk....all I'm saying is that this is the same old story heard pretty much every weekend year in, year out....spilled milk.....
    Last edited by 50cal; 09-14-2007, 06:52 PM.
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    ...And shephards we shall be. For thee my lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from thy hand. That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to thee. And teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini Patri, E Fili, E Spiritu Sancti.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by laokie View Post
      I look at it this way. If my name wasn't called as a winner at the powwow, well.......I guess I didn't win!!! I'm not gonna complain or whine around about how I was cheated, they didn't tabulate right....blah blah blah. I just didn't win. Now if I find out that something went wrong with the tabulations, am I gonna keep calling and calling to try to find out if I really did win? NO. That's just showing no class. I figure if I did win SOMEONE from the committee will notify me or send me a check at some point, after all they have all my information, so if I don't get either then I guess I didn't win! Oh well!! I'm not so vain, as some are, to think that I was one of the best dancers there so I should've won something and if I didn't then I'm gonna cry around about it. That's just the chance you take when you travel to these powwows. Don't count your chickens before they hatch!
      I agree completely. It's a powwow, that's all. They'll be another one the next weekend, or the weekend after that.

      I dislike the "PAYCHECK" analogy. I go to powwow because I WANT to, because I LOVE to dance...not because I NEED to or HAVE to. If I place, RIGHT ON! I have some extra cash in my pocket and I'll take whoever I'm traveling with out to eat like a fat-girl. lol. If I don't win...OH EFF'in WELL! lol. "OWED MONEY" for dancing at a powwow, golly...that's just terrible sounding. The only time I'm owed money is when I clock in and clock out.
      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by superndngyrl View Post
        Exactly!
        LOL!!! I figured you'd say that.....
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        ...And shephards we shall be. For thee my lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from thy hand. That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to thee. And teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini Patri, E Fili, E Spiritu Sancti.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by laokie View Post
          I look at it this way. If my name wasn't called as a winner at the powwow, well.......I guess I didn't win!!! I'm not gonna complain or whine around about how I was cheated, they didn't tabulate right....blah blah blah. I just didn't win. Now if I find out that something went wrong with the tabulations, am I gonna keep calling and calling to try to find out if I really did win? NO. That's just showing no class. I figure if I did win SOMEONE from the committee will notify me or send me a check at some point, after all they have all my information, so if I don't get either then I guess I didn't win! Oh well!! I'm not so vain, as some are, to think that I was one of the best dancers there so I should've won something and if I didn't then I'm gonna cry around about it. That's just the chance you take when you travel to these powwows. Don't count your chickens before they hatch!
          Good for you!
          The only time its too late to start dancing is when you're dead.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by CALIBABEALLTHEWAY View Post
            YOU KNOWW ONE FAMILY IS IN CHARGE OF THIS POWWOW AND BEEN RUNNING THIS POW-WOW F0R YEARS. THESE PEOPLE ARE THEE TABULATORS, THEY REGISTER PEOPLE, THEY TAKE THE NUMBERS AT GRAND ENTRY, THEY SOMETIMES JUDGE AND THEY PICK THE HEAD STAFF. ONE OF THE TABULATORS/REGISTER/JUDGE/NUMBER TAKER AT G.E. AND EXHIBITION POINTS IS MISS REZRATZ UP ABOVE. I GUESS SHES MULTI TALENTED LMAO.
            IF YOUR GOING TO HAVE A CONTEST POWWOW MAKE IT FAIR BECAUSE PEOPLE COME ALONG WAY TO CONTEST. CONTEST POWWOWS MEANS YOU WIN MONEY IN THE END AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE FUN THE WHOLE TIME!! JUST MAKE IT A TRADITIONAL POWWOW IF YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THAT. OR HIRE DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR THE DIFFERENT JOBS AND ADMIT TO YOUR MISTAKES AND HAVE AN APOLOGY. INSTEAD OF MS. ATTITUDE.
            What if a different group of people were to coordinate and run the powwow? Is there a hard-line connection between the casino and this family that has been running it all these years?

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            • #66
              shheesh

              cordinating a p/w isnt brain surgery. neither is tabulating. but if ur expectin to get pd for your dancing or singin abilities, then you need more help than that casino pay check.
              post the winners alrady.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Wojapi4Me View Post
                Well, I wasn't there either, but I'm going to add my two cents

                I happen to agree wholeheartedly with superndngyrl...if people won and are owed money, it's not greedy or childish for them to try to collect. If you were shorted hours on your paycheck, you'd sure complain to the HR department or whoever to get that straightened out wouldn't you? If the IRS shorted you, you'd certainly call them. So, why can't pow wow people do the same?
                if you read on the other sycuan post thedy said that they are fixing their mistakes.. nobody from the committee has said that they arent fixing what has happend.. they said that they are fixing what has happend.. the sycuan powwow committee is honest they gave their word and they follow by what they said...

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                • #68
                  Hmmmmmmm, anyone want some popcorn???

                  LOL. Well I was suppose to go to this powwow but ended up sick at home instead. . Yeah know there are some good powwows and some bad powwows. There are powwows who pay and powwows that don't. There are committee's who stand by their word and there are those who don't. Having known some of these Cali powwows and who/what runs them, not all are alike. Now, I can say, having been on the Southern Cali Powwow Circuit Council from the 1st time it was organized, yes, I was one of the members back in 2000 or was it 1999. Anyhow, after being at many meetings with ALL the S. Cali Casino's, I can say, first hand, that alot of these committee's, Casino's, etc had no first hand knowledge of how to run powwows or even what they were about. I am not going to name names but some of the dancers, etc helped collaborate some of the powwows today and helped the tribes make them what they are. Without this outside help or knowledge, some of these Casino powwows would not have made it. I even remember Morongo having very little dancers and only maybe 10 drums show up, at most. Now the thing I remember most that was difficult was having all these committee's with so many different types of views or misunderstanding of how these powwows should be run. I am reminding you all that most of these tribes are mostly familiar with stick games and birdsinging, not powwows, especially big time powwows. Yes, Sycuan and Pechanga have been around a while, yet we ask, why are they continuing to be the same or have the same problems. As a business entrepeneur primarily dealing with tribes and tribal councils, it has come to a point that its really hard to train old dogs with new tricks. Not saying they are dogs but some of these people only want to go with what is comfortable or only what they know. It's hard for these councils to accept change or invest in things they don't know about. So I have seen it first hand, its hard for some of these tribes to change what they may think is best even though it may not be. Trust is the key issue here. So yes, we can say, the Rumley crew or hiring so and so may be the best options. But when it comes down to it, getting the committee or even the council to change an 'old habit' is going to be the key. Do you know how long it took Morongo to finally get a hotel on their property?? I remember when it was just an idea. I am glad to see powwows like San Manuel make it, thanks to a great committee and people like Tommy staying with it for 9 years now. At least the committee at Sycuan is dealing with their issue now, even if its a week later. From what it looks like, they're paying out twice, which is much better than having to just say 'oh well, live with it'. I have seen much worse when the committee's don't even payout and someone stole the prize money or hearing of dancers waiting days for their IOU's that never get paid out. I even forked out over 4000.00 in airline tickets to a committee for a host drum and didn't get paid for it until a year or two later. So, in all, yes its bad the tabulations got screwed up, the committee admitted it, they are fixing it, let's just move on to the next powwow. Personally, yeah, I would like to go back to Sycuan one day, but its only because we like to dance. If one of places, great, if we don't, oh well, at least we had fun dancing. Isn't that what powwows are suppose to be about? Anyhow, just remember maybe some of these Casino Powwows may never change, its up to the committee or the councils. Just know that if you go, keep an open mind, have fun dancing/singing, and just enjoy yourself.
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                  • #69
                    Get some help!!!!! Ryan OR Denver??? IDK

                    Originally posted by skybird5 View Post
                    So my point was/is that this pow wow seems to have been plagued with issues regarding tabulation-every year. Yes, people still go-but with Navajo Nation fair and So. Ute happening the same weekend-people have a choice and I bet some people didn't go back to Sycuan this year.
                    I was NOT self promoting the business that Ryan and I run, I was stating that EVERY YEAR, dancers and singers ask us why we don't tabulate Sycuan-because of problems like this. We have sent tabulation proposals to the committee, we have called and offered our services-heck, one year we even had a tribal member come up to us after Morongo and give us the Tribal Chairperson's phone number to call and ask if we could tabulate Sycuan-due to these kind of problems. And of course we called and were told the same thing-it's handled by casino staff. I told Ryan that we should offer to tabulate the whole thing for free just ONCE alongside the "casino staff/current tabulators" and see what kind of results we get. As long as they give us access to the ballots, we can take our own grand entry numbers. That might be interesting...

                    Thankfully there are public forums that exist such as this one, where people can post their honest opinions and the truth can be said about what really happens at pow wows.
                    LAOKIE? you dance...what style? I must have you confused with someone else!

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                    • #70
                      I agree! 100%

                      Originally posted by Tom Clinton View Post
                      No secret about Skybird... But year after year there have been problems with the tabulations at this pow wow is it imcompetence fraud whatever. The point you are missing is "get some competent honest help!" Rumley and Crew (are human and have made human errors, that they are quick to review and fix) The Denver March crew, me just someone that knows what they are doing. People invest lots of $ to travel.

                      I know that the Sycuan People want the best for their guests (I attended their First Pow wow and for several years after) they are extremely hospitable.

                      But why not get someone in there that can get it right the first time around, they do waste money paying for the errors. etc
                      Get someone to help!

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Luvz2P-W View Post
                        Get someone to help!
                        or get someone else to do it all together.
                        The only time its too late to start dancing is when you're dead.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Nezbah View Post
                          Hmmmmmmm, anyone want some popcorn???

                          LOL. Well I was suppose to go to this powwow but ended up sick at home instead.
                          Now we know why all of these things happen the way they do!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ta'neeszahnii Techno View Post
                            Now we know why all of these things happen the way they do!
                            **runs for her wire cutters**.......heh heh.....

                            That's why I wasn't at NNF either. Oh well didn't miss much hahaha.

                            Seeeeee ya next time TT........
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                            • #74
                              Enuf Already!

                              Don't forget why you dance.......to make otherz feel goot!----from the North...

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                              • #75
                                both lists

                                ok, i think its only right to post both winners list...the list from Sunday nite at the powwow and the REAL winnerz that we still havnet seen yet!! Am I aksing to much?

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