Sycuan Powwow Sept 7-9th

[chazziff]

I was rereading this thread and it made me laugh.. it reminded me of the time when a powwow family went up to the committee after the powwow(ft duchense, years ago...) was over and complained that some of their family didn't place and some should have placed higher.. then the reason they said that was because they were "champion dancers" lol.. the mom was was actually yelling.. my daughter has placed all over!!!! lol..
I recently saw this happen again over at ute mtn powwow.. someone complaining after the powwow was over about placement... sheesh..
BUT...
the crazy thing about this is that the complaining paid off!!!! the committee gave into these "champion dancers" arguments and they came away with cash!!!
sheesh..

holay who has big ballz? she has big ballz!!! .... dang how gall-y do ya have to be to go complain about your kids not placing ... dang

skybird, thank for the winner's list. Can you put some spaces between the winners next time. I'm old and having a hard time reading it....

oh i know ... me too i was like dang ... spaces ppl spaces!! LOL

[skybird5]

OOps, I thought someone posted drums already!!
Um, there were 8 i think...The two hosts and Thundering Spirit, River Cree, Sacred Wind, The Boyz, Preyin Eagle, High Valley, Quart Low, Blu Thunder, Badger Shield.

1-The Boyz
2-River Cree
3-High Valley
4-Thundering spirit I think?
5-Blu Thunder
6-Quart Low

So, Quart Low was the only southern drum in the contest it was Glen ahhaitty and LLoyd,etc. And Blu Thunder rocked with just their usual 5-6 guys (Good Job BUDGE!), High Valley was the So. Calif. Original Style singers-Terry, Leland, Taite, Darnell, Calvin, etc...Great singing!! Um, River Cree-I think was from Canada somewhere. That's all I can remember, The Boyz also won the hand drum contest.

[skybird5]

Yes, spaces wouldve helped!!! Sometimes I put them in cool columns and then when I click POST, the whole thing gets screwed up and ends up in a list anyway!! Was just having a time issue so I typed them in real fast, Sorry about that!!!

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

[chazziff]

OOps, I thought someone posted drums already!!
Um, there were 8 i think...The two hosts and Thundering Spirit, River Cree, Sacred Wind, The Boyz, Preyin Eagle, High Valley, Quart Low, Blu Thunder, Badger Shield.

1-The Boyz
2-River Cree
3-High Valley
4-Thundering spirit I think?
5-Blu Thunder
6-Quart Low

So, Quart Low was the only southern drum in the contest it was Glen ahhaitty and LLoyd,etc. And Blu Thunder rocked with just their usual 5-6 guys (Good Job BUDGE!), High Valley was the So. Calif. Original Style singers-Terry, Leland, Taite, Darnell, Calvin, etc...Great singing!! Um, River Cree-I think was from Canada somewhere. That's all I can remember, The Boyz also won the hand drum contest.

oh kewl thundering spirit ...

[chazziff]

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

ok this is something that i would never think to do ..... never ever .... ever!!!

[kiyaanii mom]

Yes, spaces wouldve helped!!! Sometimes I put them in cool columns and then when I click POST, the whole thing gets screwed up and ends up in a list anyway!! Was just having a time issue so I typed them in real fast, Sorry about that!!!

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

Thanks for fixing....

YUP! Some people have no shame....
I'm getting ready to do some tabulating in a few weeks. this is the one part I Don't look forward to...

[i-candance]

Tabulators

What do you expect...it's California...these powwow's trive and strive to stay alive...

[laokie]

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

Of course there's gonna always be issues, that's a given. Having a new tabulator this year made a world of difference and she did an awesome job! She told them that she was keeping away from the scanners and spreadsheets and doing it with pencil and paper and by golly it worked!! I'm sure there were a few questions here and there, but I haven't seen this powwow run so smoothly in a few years. The head judge did a great job in selecting his judges, everybody knew what they were doing. The Arena director, and I say director because I never saw the other one, but he also did a great job and kept things going. For once they had a head staff, (altho I don't know who picked that So. host drum) that knew how to run a powwow. And Kudos to the powwow committee for making the changes that were needed to have another great Cali Casino powwow!! Now, if they would just fix up their campgrounds it would all be good!!

[sammyedee]

But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

I was the tabulator this year at Sycuan. It was a challenging job especially since I didn't have a "crew" so to speak. I had a helper who did an outstanding job keeping up with me. The tabulations were complete and in order after the juniors and teens danced on Sunday afternoon.

I actually loaded my computer program on Sunday morning after the adult categories were complete to validate and QA my manual tabulations. This was done to ensure all the checks and balances were in place for a fair and honest result. As far as any issues, there were none to speak of. Everything ran very smoothly considering the pace of the contests on Friday and Saturday nights.

It was amazing how many people interrupted me all weekend wanting to check their grand entry points though. I had to continually remind people that I was merely the "bean counter" and had nothing to do with any decisions made by the committee and had to continually refer people to the commitee to check their grand entry points.

After the awards were presented, my books were open to anyone who cared to review their points in case they felt they "should have won", but no one stopped by.

I think the Sycuan committee did a good job restoring their powwow. I'm sure they are reading this website and enjoying the positive feedback they are receiving and will consider the suggestions that different ones have made to them.

Thank you to all of you that supported me and the kinds words. Haw.

[50cal]

skybird, thank for the winner's list. Can you put some spaces between the winners next time. I'm old and having a hard time reading it....

LMAO!!!....She ain't lying......LOL!!!....just kidding K-Mom!!!!!!!!!!!

[KlamathModocLady]

Awsome Powwow!

My Man and I went there for thee very first time and had a Blast! We traveled pretty far and the people down there were very hospitable! Everyone (Cept a couple number takers! lol) treated us really good! Very nice atmosphere and I dug on the mist around the arbor~

My only unpleasant experience was when they were giving out the meal tickets (VERY NICE OF THEM BY THE WAY) this lady told my man that he had already gotten his because she marked down his number already and we told her that we just got his number out of our locked car, but she kept talking over him n told him that she writes the numbers down as she sees them so we are just gonna have to step aside! lol flat rude! Then some other dancer saw what was happening and gave my man his tickets (May him and his family be blessed for being such good people!) then the lady told My Man that he might as well take those ones cause she cant give him another...again being rude but she ended up giving My Man his tickets and then come to find out someone that was in front of us told her his number backwards and got his tickets anyways!

It wouldnt have been too bad if she hadent been so rude about it! Other than that the rest of the powwow was awsome! Very refreshing to be around genuine people just trying to have a good time and enjoy each others company and get down to some good jamms! What more can anyone ask for!

[laokie]

Oh yeah, that was another drawback. Those people are very stingy with their feeding people! You woulda thought that with that HUGE Casino they could do like the other Casino powwows and feed the whole crowd, surely they can afford it, but they treated those meal tickets like gold and you only got this amount and only for the dancers. I mean $10 was ok, but considering that a plain ol' hamburger cost $5, it was ridiculous! Lighten up committee, people travel a long way, at least show some hospitality by offering water (which they were also selling, unless you just used a cup), snacks, a little dinner on Sat. would've been nice, don't be so stingy!!

[CALIBABEALLTHEWAY]

My Man and I went there for thee very first time and had a Blast! We traveled pretty far and the people down there were very hospitable! Everyone (Cept a couple number takers! lol) treated us really good! Very nice atmosphere and I dug on the mist around the arbor~

My only unpleasant experience was when they were giving out the meal tickets (VERY NICE OF THEM BY THE WAY) this lady told my man that he had already gotten his because she marked down his number already and we told her that we just got his number out of our locked car, but she kept talking over him n told him that she writes the numbers down as she sees them so we are just gonna have to step aside! lol flat rude! Then some other dancer saw what was happening and gave my man his tickets (May him and his family be blessed for being such good people!) then the lady told My Man that he might as well take those ones cause she cant give him another...again being rude but she ended up giving My Man his tickets and then come to find out someone that was in front of us told her his number backwards and got his tickets anyways!

It wouldnt have been too bad if she hadent been so rude about it! Other than that the rest of the powwow was awsome! Very refreshing to be around genuine people just trying to have a good time and enjoy each others company and get down to some good jamms! What more can anyone ask for!

The number takers are the same family that has been running the pow wow for the last few years. They can be downright rude!

[CALIBABEALLTHEWAY]

My Man and I went there for thee very first time and had a Blast! We traveled pretty far and the people down there were very hospitable! Everyone (Cept a couple number takers! lol) treated us really good! Very nice atmosphere and I dug on the mist around the arbor~

My only unpleasant experience was when they were giving out the meal tickets (VERY NICE OF THEM BY THE WAY) this lady told my man that he had already gotten his because she marked down his number already and we told her that we just got his number out of our locked car, but she kept talking over him n told him that she writes the numbers down as she sees them so we are just gonna have to step aside! lol flat rude! Then some other dancer saw what was happening and gave my man his tickets (May him and his family be blessed for being such good people!) then the lady told My Man that he might as well take those ones cause she cant give him another...again being rude but she ended up giving My Man his tickets and then come to find out someone that was in front of us told her his number backwards and got his tickets anyways!

It wouldnt have been too bad if she hadent been so rude about it! Other than that the rest of the powwow was awsome! Very refreshing to be around genuine people just trying to have a good time and enjoy each others company and get down to some good jamms! What more can anyone ask for!

Oh yeah, that was another drawback. Those people are very stingy with their feeding people! You woulda thought that with that HUGE Casino they could do like the other Casino powwows and feed the whole crowd, surely they can afford it, but they treated those meal tickets like gold and you only got this amount and only for the dancers. I mean $10 was ok, but considering that a plain ol' hamburger cost $5, it was ridiculous! Lighten up committee, people travel a long way, at least show some hospitality by offering water (which they were also selling, unless you just used a cup), snacks, a little dinner on Sat. would've been nice, don't be so stingy!!

They are stingy! Their tribal members are given over 300,000 a year and they can work and earn at least another 50,000. They get those new homes for free. The pow wow is just a publicity thing for them. That tribe is called hollywood Indian. They sure could afford free buffet and breakfast tickets! LOL