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    I was watching this pretty cool show the other night about a couple doing a documentary about what it would be like to live on min. wage for a full month...scaping by n stuff...then it had me thinking about fellow skinz who do the same thing, and sometimes skinz, just like any other minority or people under the poverty line do, they used there assets to do what ever neccisary to make that money...ndn's vice...what else powwows.
    now I jknow some people like that, some of them I call good freinds, and believe me when I tell you I aint knockin them, but I get mixed emotions when it comes to kids.
    I know famillies who powwow every weekend and alot of them try their damnest to place so that they can get by. I've also seen kids getting pulled out of school and some dont go onto highschool because they powwow every weekend and some weekdays, but they place, and that pays for them to have food n clothes on their backs.
    Again I aint knockin, and I really dont know where I'm going with this thread...but it just had me thinkin, I mean its kool that they win and that there really good at what there doing, but at what cost??? they win there money, but at the same time their destroying there education by not going to school, so its like a catch 22.
    It also got me thinkin into all the other threads about people who get mad if they dont place or dont place 1st and people who do favors for people to place and what not, and in a way, I can kind of understand....some people dont place, some people dont get their bills paid. How many times have you seen a freind or freinds go to powwows with just enough to get there, sleep in their car, live off balogna sammichez all weekend and prey that they win or their screwed and probably selling a peice of their outfit or blankets to get home?
    ****s kinda sad but it happens...
    anyways, gonna stop rambling on here...
    post your thoughts
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    I know people who have done this for the love of BINGO!!!! but not pulling their kids outta school about it, just ditching em at home all weekend with baloney sangwiches...and pawning belongings to pay bills, buy groceries, or have more money to dab....pretty sad, I think......

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    • #3
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      • #4
        I know plenty of people that live from powwow to powwow. It's true that money can be made from contesting and a few manage to get by on that. However, it's not steady income and it doesn't provide for retirement or much of a savings. My daughter is fortunate and has placed at a lot of powwows (way more than me) and this money has really helped us out when my income doesn't stretch far. If it's good prize money we split it three ways between my daughter, myself and her savings account. We consider it extra or supplemental money. There is no way that we could live off it though.
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        • #5
          I know a lot of people that do live off of pow-wow money and it's kinda sad, in a way, but hey...at least they're able to travel from pw to pw from what they make off of their winnings. But sometimes it's almost like they're taking a risk because they might not place at all and there goes their reimbursement of gas & hotel money.
          aaaand, that's why I'm glad that I have a job *lol* Cause atleast I know that I have a dependable back up plan every other week cause there's times when I don't place. Yeah, I admit, I did a little complaining about not placing at Sycuan, but so did every dancer there that didn't place when they should've, and turns out that they did place afterall and got paid a week later after the pw. Due to some miscalculating addition w/in the points given. *lol*
          But overall, if thatz what people choose is to just go from pw to pw just living off of their 1st place winnings, then that's their decision to do so. I think that's what I miss the most about not working when I was younger, able to travel!! *lol*
          Ahhh good times!! =)
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          • #6
            What about parents that rely on their kids to place so that they can get gas money to the next pow-wow. Dang.
            It is so sad that a family can torn apart by something as simple as a wild pack of dogs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ItzRaeRae View Post
              I know a lot of people that do live off of pow-wow money and it's kinda sad, in a way, but hey...at least they're able to travel from pw to pw from what they make off of their winnings. But sometimes it's almost like they're taking a risk because they might not place at all and there goes their reimbursement of gas & hotel money.
              aaaand, that's why I'm glad that I have a job *lol* Cause atleast I know that I have a dependable back up plan every other week cause there's times when I don't place. Yeah, I admit, I did a little complaining about not placing at Sycuan, but so did every dancer there that didn't place when they should've, and turns out that they did place afterall and got paid a week later after the pw. Due to some miscalculating addition w/in the points given. *lol*
              But overall, if thatz what people choose is to just go from pw to pw just living off of their 1st place winnings, then that's their decision to do so. I think that's what I miss the most about not working when I was younger, able to travel!! *lol*
              Ahhh good times!! =)
              I'm with RaeRae, I'll keep my day job since I would starve if I relied on my dance ability alone. LOL! Besides I want to work so I don't have to rely on anyone else to feed or cloth me. But I think you missed the point on the children impacted by parents that don't make going to school a priority. Keeping kids on the road to pow-wow as a "career" is an education deprivation that is simply unacceptable. I know a lot of top dancers, but I can't recall anyone of them being a consistent first place winner. You know how it is, you get tabulation dramas, different judges that may not like your style, etc. Pow-wow contests are NOT an income guarantee. I've boughten some pretty tough beadwork, blankets etc. from folks just trying to get gas $$ for the next powwow. The bottom line, once you decide to have kids, get a day job and keep your kids in school, be a responsible parent. Then you'll be able to dance for the enjoyment rather than as a must.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ItzRaeRae View Post
                I know a lot of people that do live off of pow-wow money and it's kinda sad, in a way, but hey...at least they're able to travel from pw to pw from what they make off of their winnings. But sometimes it's almost like they're taking a risk because they might not place at all and there goes their reimbursement of gas & hotel money.
                aaaand, that's why I'm glad that I have a job *lol* Cause atleast I know that I have a dependable back up plan every other week cause there's times when I don't place. Yeah, I admit, I did a little complaining about not placing at Sycuan, but so did every dancer there that didn't place when they should've, and turns out that they did place afterall and got paid a week later after the pw. Due to some miscalculating addition w/in the points given. *lol*
                But overall, if thatz what people choose is to just go from pw to pw just living off of their 1st place winnings, then that's their decision to do so. I think that's what I miss the most about not working when I was younger, able to travel!! *lol*
                Ahhh good times!! =)
                It makes you wonder. Just how many singers and dancers actually have a job. I think its around 90% that don't. How many kids are in school with a good attendance. There are afew traditional dancers that have their kids dance year around. As long as they win, this will continue. When they start losing, it changes. These people know who they are. It's pretty hard to pity this type when they (adults) start losing and don't have a job and are homeless. It's eminent. Most big pow wows are like the gathering of the unemployed. Dancing for dollars
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dakota Sandz View Post
                  How many times have you seen a freind or freinds go to powwows with just enough to get there, sleep in their car, live off balogna sammichez all weekend and prey that they win or their screwed and probably selling a peice of their outfit or blankets to get home?
                  ****s kinda sad but it happens...
                  anyways, gonna stop rambling on here...
                  post your thoughts
                  Dang, you've seen people who eat bologna sandwiches & sleep in their cars during a pw weekend?!? Daaaamn, thatz straight hard core pw'er there!! *lol*
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                  • #10
                    I think there needs to be a categories for dancers who have a full time job. Just show your pay stub with 40 hours and you can register. Dance contest on Saturday and then have the winners announced early enough so you can get on the road, to be able to get plenty of rest for work on monday.

                    Nothing like pulling in, just in time to head straight to work..... ugh....
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sota5 View Post
                      It makes you wonder. Just how many singers and dancers actually have a job. I think its around 90% that don't. How many kids are in school with a good attendance. There are afew traditional dancers that have their kids dance year around. As long as they win, this will continue. When they start losing, it changes. These people know who they are. It's pretty hard to pity this type when they (adults) start losing and don't have a job and are homeless. It's eminent. Most big pow wows are like the gathering of the unemployed. Dancing for dollars

                      I have to agree most pow wows are a gathering of the UNEMPLOYED haha. the only ones that actually have the time to get there on time and stay until the bitter end .. sometimes until the wee hours of the morning. i hate having a pow wow hangover on monday morning. I personally think the seven o'clock grand entry should be outlawed haha

                      and the other major reason why the majority of native ppl go to school to become teachers is because the get their summers off and all major holidays off too LOL. and you can get your pay cheques, spread over the year (12 months) instead of over 10 months (actual school days open). a steady pay cheque thru the summer months too.

                      then it causes a rift between some singers in some groups. the employed singers with vehicles vs the unemployed singers without vehicles. or the employed singers' ability to actually get time off work to get to the pow wow. or the unemployed singers griping (often behind the scenes) over the "cut" that the employed singers get, they sometimes think it should be less since they do have job and they dont, so they feel they should be getting a bigger cut.

                      i do hate having my children miss school, sometimes it can be helped, sometimes it cant be. i always phone ahead and make sure they get their homework for the friday and monday so they wont get behind. it is a choice that parents make. do they want their child to have all the choices in the world or none at all cuz they chose not to attend school reguarly? a doctor or a pow wow bum ... you choose LOL
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                      • #12
                        When I was in high school, i missed a lot of fridays and Mondays for pow-wows but I went on to Graduate college. So :P hahha

                        I think if you're going to take your kids out for pow-wows then you might try and do homeschooling cuz then your kids can go to pow-wows and go to school around their pow-wow schedule. Most kids that homeschool are wayyyy smarter than us public school kids.

                        ETA... but I do think pow-wowing is like gambling in the sense that its not guaranteed money and you shouldn't risk your family's food/shelter/clothing at the expense of getting your pow-wow fix.
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                        • #13
                          Education is being put off by other things, such as percapitas too. Why go to school to get a good ed-u-ma-cation in order to fit into a competitive career oriented society when your getting thousand dollar percaps a year, twice a year, every month, **** some get them every week. In many ways it is a catch 22...in alot of areas other than pws for natives. Do you think this could by the US gov't way of attempting to still yet deplete a once prosperous self governed boundary-less people. What r we to do? We got to be twice as smart and learn the traditions and education to make it through the next centuries. Sort of off the topic there. But there has to be a balance...don't make Friday GE mandatory and outlaw the Sunday evening grand entries, I guess.?!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chazziff View Post
                            I have to agree most pow wows are a gathering of the UNEMPLOYED haha. the only ones that actually have the time to get there on time and stay until the bitter end .. sometimes until the wee hours of the morning. i hate having a pow wow hangover on monday morning. I personally think the seven o'clock grand entry should be outlawed haha

                            and the other major reason why the majority of native ppl go to school to become teachers is because the get their summers off and all major holidays off too LOL. and you can get your pay cheques, spread over the year (12 months) instead of over 10 months (actual school days open). a steady pay cheque thru the summer months too.

                            then it causes a rift between some singers in some groups. the employed singers with vehicles vs the unemployed singers without vehicles. or the employed singers' ability to actually get time off work to get to the pow wow. or the unemployed singers griping (often behind the scenes) over the "cut" that the employed singers get, they sometimes think it should be less since they do have job and they dont, so they feel they should be getting a bigger cut.

                            i do hate having my children miss school, sometimes it can be helped, sometimes it cant be. i always phone ahead and make sure they get their homework for the friday and monday so they wont get behind. it is a choice that parents make. do they want their child to have all the choices in the world or none at all cuz they chose not to attend school reguarly? a doctor or a pow wow bum ... you choose LOL

                            I'm with you on the singers part..i hear ya! lol its gets on my nerves time to time when some one doesnt have a way around and relies on Jr to take them there, or to give them money..anything along those lines..and then when i stand up and say something..like it's not our job to take care of them..thn I'm looked at or called a botch behind my back, or this and that. It really does get tiring after a while.

                            As for the powwowing and work thang, I am way to damn high maintenance to live off of nothing or welfare alone. lol. Jr and i both go to school, and he works 2 jobs and i work one. I couldnt imagine just relying off my poor dance skills and jr's singing to make A FREAKIN LIVING, that is to risky. But i do know families that do it, and its sad. They have abso. nothing to show for themselves, and neither do there children. I mean why would one want to put their fmaily thru that?

                            and chazzif..the summers off is exactly why jr and i are becoming teachers. lol It is the perfect profession. lol
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                            • #15
                              Ahhhhhhh the ultimate question. For me, during the school year we try to keep the powwows local or within a 4 hour drive. Since school getsout about 3pm, most of the time we can make it to GE. The only time my son will get out of school is if he's head boy somewhere far but I always make sure I get his homework ahead of time. We'll also travel on the 3-4 day weekends so he won't miss school. I guess we're kinda lucky, most of the powwows we attend are close and the ones we really travel too are in the summer, so we can be gone weeks at a time. Right now I am on disability so my schedule is more flexible, however, when I am feeling really sick, we end up staying home. But now my lil one only misses school, very little, and he's doing pretty good in school. And it is true, there are some kids who do better at being homeschooled than being in the public school system. I am considering my lil one to be homeschooled during high school years and a native charter school for his middle school years. But we'll see, he's still only in 3rd grade....LOL.

                              In the past, I used to be hard core powwower.... Now, I spend what I can afford to lose. If I am scrapping, usually I will stay home, bead, sell jewelry or something, then hit the next powwow. But really its all depends on how I feel now, sometimes my disease really kicks my butt. I use to push it, even being sick, but I had to become more careful after having to go to the ER one day.....*S*.

                              Oh and with my job, hee hee, I get paid to go on the powwow trail too. It's a matter of coordinating a powwow weekend with client meetings. :D

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