Manito Ahbee Rigged?

[NATIVE_EDUCATOR]

This pow-wow is wierd I'm not one to talk bad about pow-wows.But some of the drums got judged three or four songs and some got judged two songs on saturday and approached the head singing judge and asked him how come the drums were not judged the same amount of songs.He replied that they would take care of it on sunday but it never got taken care of.This pow-wow is very expensive,it cost 25 dollars a person to get in not to mention the price of food.It was a very good turn out but it just didn't seem fair.And on sunday the moment the chicken dance catagory being the last mens catagory they retired the staffs.I thought that was very fishy cause what if there was a tie in the mens?hmmmmm sounds kinda fishy if you ask me.

[PrairieTX]

Jeez...when did it start costing 25 dollars a person to get in at powwows? That's insane.

[Kiwehnzii]

When there is a large powwow located in a major city, the costs of renting a facility big enough to accomodate a big gathering is enormous. So........ the cost to everyone ( including dancers/singers) is very high. I don't know how much rooms are in Winnipeg but I do know that hotels in the downtown Toronto area are $150-200-300 a night. Comparably, I paid $200 (total) this past weekend for three nights at Milwaukee.
If you are planning on going to Toronto powwow, expect to pay more than Winnipeg prices. Registration is (I think) $15.00 per person. Could be wrong. Food is high.

If you think Winnipeg powwow prices are high, wait til you go to Toronto. Fortunately for me, I only need one nights accomodation, and I'm sharing hotel costs 3 ways.

As for the results being rigged? It doesn't do a bit of good getting answers from anyone online. Talk to the host committee. They might be able to get info for you.

good luck

[Coyot_In_The_House]

Beg 2 differ.....

This pow-wow is wierd I'm not one to talk bad about pow-wows.But some of the drums got judged three or four songs and some got judged two songs on saturday and approached the head singing judge and asked him how come the drums were not judged the same amount of songs.He replied that they would take care of it on sunday but it never got taken care of.This pow-wow is very expensive,it cost 25 dollars a person to get in not to mention the price of food.It was a very good turn out but it just didn't seem fair.And on sunday the moment the chicken dance catagory being the last mens catagory they retired the staffs.I thought that was very fishy cause what if there was a tie in the mens?hmmmmm sounds kinda fishy if you ask me.

Well as Kiwehnzi already made crystal clear the fact is its expensive to put on a powwow in the heart of a major city....So as far as a high cost...Well i'm gonna anticipate that from the get go....If its too expensive I suppose you can stay home or look into other plans....Been there done that....As far as the powwow being rigged...I certainly don't agree....I'll tell you this though....Alot of hard work went into putting it together and its pretty cheap to say something like that....Lisa and Joanne did a good job and accomadated a whole lot of people....Vince and Jason kept everything flowing and as usual they did a great job.....

Now my pet peeve.....Anyone can sign on and make accusations and post gripes....But where are your facts...? Do you have proof of Singing Judges or anyone cheating? What really gets me is why do folks hang their dirty laundry here? I wonder if you took it further and voiced your opinion to the head judges or the head staff? Just having the guts to say something to someone's face is what i'm pointing out.....Eldon and Rod did good job and to accuse them of cheating or rigging is real weak....Ant given Sunday buddy....Any given sunday your gonna hear outcomes or results you may not agree with.....So take the proper steps....Not the cheap way out....One Educator to another.....

[Singing Eagle]

I agree that the pow-wow was well run! I think it's a cheap shot and sour grapes to come on here and say bad things!

Oh and if I'd have known that Yot was there - I'd have made more of an effort meet more PWS.com peeps!

[PWBUM]

Well I heard the drum results were rigged. Points were changed and known along that Whitefish would win from what was told to him. Cmon Whitefish beatin Dakota Hotain? Thats funny! Way to go Mandaree and Battle Rver!
Then they were changing points around for dancers too for more than one category too. One woman got her whole points takin away for Sunday's session becasue people were complainin.
And we noticed that points were low. So what happend to the 100 points for Friday nite? That was very poorly organized since myself and lots of other dancers never even made it out of the back of the stage and never got to dance on the floor at the begining. They only sang one song and expected to get all the dancers on the floor in that one song. that was weak! Dressed for nothin.
Jim was pickin actual powwow people while that other lady was pickin locals who are never seen at powwows.
Yeah yeah ill be told i am sour grapes and hatin but just voicin what i heard. Gonna stay homenext year since my US $$ is not worth as muchas the CDN $$! Peace.

[middle of the sky]

i thought they hired some kind of firm or something for this powwow?

[Coyot_In_The_House]

It would be interesting.....

To see just who is crying around.....Cause i'm gonna tell ya and i'm willing to bet......Theres a method to da madness.....Sure....your not gonna please everyone and as soon as folks are perfect let me know.....

Crying around and pouting won't solve anything....Just proves my initial point that some folks are just ridiculous....

[Kiiwedinong]

I was there recording all the top sounding drum groups and what got me this past weekend is the fact that I lost track of the drums and how many times they were judged. I'm not saying anybody was cheating or the results were rigged for that matter, but I will say that as a singer it must of been a pain to have been left in the dark regarding judging and being equal. If people want other peeps to stop complaining then it should be the responsibility of the co-ordinator or head judges to keep dancers/drummers informed of whats going on (but more so the drummers.) The communication wasn't there is all Im saying and this for sure was a starting place for complaints down the line.

But on another note the Pow Wow was an excellent one. It was organized and runned real well. I didnt have a problem with pan-handlers as much as last year.

One thing though.......I'm very curious as to what that one dude said in another thread. Did he really not get any points or given the opportunity to participate in the awards opening ceremonies portion? Where friends only picked to dance and receive points? I think its a bit ridicolous to award points for an event not at all related to the actual Pow Wow. BUt yeah.......if thats what happend then......geez....thats sad.

Anyways.

[phalopian_toob]

all powwows are rigged, man!

from powwow committees to judges to even who you know...no matter what powwow there is always discrepencies.
As for the actual powwow, it was run very well and they didnt mess around this time and just got the powwow started and ended just right. And as for the powwow admission I would say all powwows should charge admission to pay for clean up after all us Indians who dont care to clean up after ourselves, ill be the first to admit I tend to just throw stuff on the floor. And lastly the entry points were taken no matter if you got on the floor or not, my friends danced but were the last ones after the music stopped but got their numbers taken anyway. As for dakota hotain they must have gotten a jingle side step!

[NATIVE_EDUCATOR]

Fyi

I just started this thread to see if anyone felt the same way I did. Yeah it's a very touchy situation once one says something is rigged or cheating. And I'm not saying anything bad about rod or eldon because I know these men have been around the pow-wow circuit a very long time and did nothing to deserve to be bashed on in any way and I for one have the utmost respect for them for the things that they have done in the pow-wow world.and I know that a head singers job is to find the right judges but they do not sit and tabulate the points.And I send my deepest apology to these men or any of the family of these fine gentlemen that came across this thread.That was not my intention at all.

[Solaris]

Jeez...when did it start costing 25 dollars a person to get in at powwows? That's insane.

Was that $25 for dancers?? Cuz as a spectator, I paid $10 (before taxes, fees and whatnot).

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Was that $25 for dancers?? Cuz as a spectator, I paid $10 (before taxes, fees and whatnot).

$12.fiddy per day is prolly what tha guy meant solaris

[Seekrane]

Who is it your saying rigged the pow wow?

I just started this thread to see if anyone felt the same way I did. Yeah it's a very touchy situation once one says something is rigged or cheating. And I'm not saying anything bad about rod or eldon because I know these men have been around the pow-wow circuit a very long time and did nothing to deserve to be bashed on in any way and I for one have the utmost respect for them for the things that they have done in the pow-wow world.and I know that a head singers job is to find the right judges but they do not sit and tabulate the points.And I send my deepest apology to these men or any of the family of these fine gentlemen that came across this thread.That was not my intention at all.

We did the tabulating and we have tabulated 12 other pow wows this year, with more and more bookings each year. My name is Clayton Crain my girlfriend is Tammy Stonestand, we wont hide behind our powwows.com user name, we will tell you who we are. I challenge you to be as open.

If your raising suspicions then say it in a straight forward manner, what is your suspicion?? You started off blaming the singing bosses then backed off on that to refer to the tabulations. I would be happy to answer any questions you have about tabulating in private chat or on MSN messenger, not so much in this forum because it would just turn into a flame war so no we wont do that but i would enjoy the conversation. Our tabulating system was built around the suggestions of some of the most experienced pow wow people on the trail, each pow wow we learn something and incorporate it into our system. Entering scorecards is easy its fixing registration errors, mixed up numbers, numbers entered twice in registration, names entered in different categories, lost numbers, numbers marked down wrong on cards. and things like that that take up 80 percent of our time. So we do our best to ensure that everything is on the level.

[Kiwehnzii]

I don't know these people - the tabulators. But, they have a reputation to protect. This is their side business and they MUST maintain their honesty to the fullest in order to keep that reputation strong.

I really don't believe that they would put that at risk.

My 2 cents. 1 cent U.S. (ayyyee.)