Pow Wow dance in Europe, is this against Native traditions?

[GoggenGH]

Wait, I think I missed something. Are these white people dancing and dressing up as Indians, or are these Native Indians in Europe who are Pow-Wowing

Sorry, I did not make it clear that this is perfomed by Native Indians.
Off cours, a Pow Wow done by white man dressed up with feather have nothing to do with your traditional dance.

Here is a translated version of a page I found where you can see photos from the Pow Wow:

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Famerindien.e-monsite.com%2Frubrique%2C1-pow-wow-ornans-2008%2C1016932.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

and a 2nd. page:

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Famerindien.e-monsite.com%2Frubrique%2C2-pow-wow-ornans-2008%2C1016934.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

And this one is made by the association behind this Pow Wow:
Four Winds
None of these sites are made by me.

We're modern people money is part of our lives. Making money is necessary. Contest dancers are our professional athletes. Don't romanticizes us out of modernity.

Off course, I understand the ones doing Pow Wows also have to live, and in order to to so today, we need money. It would be hard to live today by hunting Bison

I payed in order to see this Pow Wow, but I find that normal, as the association has to buy for the travel and hotel for the Native Indians performing the dance. I believe they all came from the States.

[AmigoKumeyaay]

Comment ce va Mssr Goggen?

A Native friend of mine says Europeans were very friendly to him, and the largest Round Dance he ever saw was on a farm in Germany. This included spectators who were very enthusiastic.

Only negative I've heard is some europeans wearing First Nations clothing that is very accurately copied. Remember that some designs belong to Native families or societies, these designs are "given" to the next generation, can't be sold or copied.

Bon temps,

AK:^)

[neling4]

The picture links don't work for me, except for the link from the association's website:

Pictures of events

[WhiteWolf89]

Wow, I recognized TJ in those pictures. I didn't know he traveled all the way to Europe for Pow-Wows.

[GoggenGH]

The picture links don't work for me, except for the link from the association's website:

Pictures of events

Try this:
1) Open Google Translator: Language Tools
2) Copy and paste Url-1 into the window below "Translate a web page"
Replace the "http://" with the urls below.
3) Select the language "French" >> "English".
4) Click on "Translate" , and Google witll translate the page from french to English for you.
5) Repeat the process for Url-2.

Url-1: http://amerindien.e-monsite.com/rubr...8,1016932.html
Url-2: http://amerindien.e-monsite.com/rubr...8,1016934.html
(You can copy these urls by doing a right-click and select Copy link)

OPS: It's not 100% correct translation off course, but you should be able to understand a great deal of the text.

[GoggenGH]

A Native friend of mine says Europeans were very friendly to him, and the largest Round Dance he ever saw was on a farm in Germany. This included spectators who were very enthusiastic.

I don't know about this Pow Wow. Do you have any link to it?

Only negative I've heard is some europeans wearing First Nations clothing that is very accurately copied. Remember that some designs belong to Native families or societies, these designs are "given" to the next generation, can't be sold or copied.

I do agree. One thing is to copy a clothing, but with no understanding of the designs.
The white man may have a tendency to just look at the clothing externaly, and does not consider the spiritual side of it.
I wanted to say that I don't see anything bad in children Indian and cowboy, running around with a feather in the hear, but the second, I felt bad. Even in this situation the roles are often upside down. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about...

Merci a toi!!!!

[GoggenGH]

Wow, I recognized TJ in those pictures. I didn't know he traveled all the way to Europe for Pow-Wows.

I recognize him, but can you tell me from which tribe he is?

[wanjica_the_one]

Taking a look at those pics, I noticed that Dennis Yellow Thunder was decked out in Hollywood Indian garb. Lee Lost Flowers was proudly holding her turkey fan. The other dancers seemed authentic enough for any powwow in the states.

[AmigoKumeyaay]

I don't know about this Pow Wow. Do you have any link to it?


I do agree. One thing is to copy a clothing, but with no understanding of the designs.
The white man may have a tendency to just look at the clothing externaly, and does not consider the spiritual side of it.
I wanted to say that I don't see anything bad in children Indian and cowboy, running around with a feather in the hear, but the second, I felt bad. Even in this situation the roles are often upside down. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about...

Merci a toi!!!!

It will take some time for info on the German powwow, my Tongva friend does not have a computer, nor cellphone - on purpose. If I drive to his house, I will get info, then maybe links.

Children playing cowboys and indians? I haven't seen that in many years, video games and computers keep children indoors, sometimes good to avoid street gangs and violence. They get fat!

If they watch too much Hollywood movies, or TV shows, they imitate the mistakes and myths.

It is our job to show them the reality, no?

Bonne Chance,

AK:^)

[Grits & Beans]

It is our job to show them the reality, no?

that's right! what ever happened to discipline? there's nothing wrong with a good old fashioned passionate @ss whooping from time to time.

[WhoMe]

Here is a translated version of a page I found where you can see photos from the Pow Wow:

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Famerindien.e-monsite.com%2Frubrique%2C1-pow-wow-ornans-2008%2C1016932.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

and a 2nd. page:

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Famerindien.e-monsite.com%2Frubrique%2C2-pow-wow-ornans-2008%2C1016934.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

... I believe they all came from the States.

Gog,

Thank you for sharing these websites. I have been to powwows in Europe. This is the first one that I have seen where most of the dancers were indigenous from the United States. I recognized Bob and Greg Red Elk, Herman Begay and Allen Roy Paquin. I think the drum was Indian Creek? All are good powwow people living in the American Southwest!!!!

[WhiteWolf89]

I recognize him, but can you tell me from which tribe he is?

I believe he's Apache

[Grits & Beans]

I believe he's Apache

now if you could only tell us what tribe you are...

unless your content with not knowing.

[WhiteWolf89]

now if you could only tell us what tribe you are...

unless your content with not knowing.

I'm 80% sure I'm Ojibwa, but still not 100% sure.

[GoggenGH]

It is our job to show them the reality, no?

No, I don't thinks the the job of the Indians to show the reality of the history, but I'm afraid my "tribe", the white man, is to prove to do so. There are lucky enough some exceptions.