Pow Wow dance in Europe, is this against Native traditions?

[GoggenGH]

This is the first one that I have seen where most of the dancers were indigenous from the United States.

You mean there are Pow Wows with whites dressed up as Indians??? Not very serious!!!!
What is the motivation behind thses kinds of Pow Wows, money?

[Grits & Beans]

No, I don't thinks the the job of the Indians to show the reality of the history, but I'm afraid my "tribe", the white man, is to prove to do so. There are lucky enough some exceptions.

i think amigo was talking its our job to show our children history as it really happened. for the most part, from what i understand, norwegians and other eastern europeans who have immigrated here held on to their identity, traditions and bonds. which i respect greatly. its an admirable thing to hold on to them rather than adopt a generic redneck culture.

[neling4]

Try this:
1) Open Google Translator: Language Tools
2) Copy and paste Url-1 into the window below "Translate a web page"
Replace the "http://" with the urls below.
3) Select the language "French" >> "English".
4) Click on "Translate" , and Google witll translate the page from french to English for you.
5) Repeat the process for Url-2.

Url-1: http://amerindien.e-monsite.com/rubr...8,1016932.html
Url-2: http://amerindien.e-monsite.com/rubr...8,1016934.html
(You can copy these urls by doing a right-click and select Copy link)

OPS: It's not 100% correct translation off course, but you should be able to understand a great deal of the text.

Thank you for the links! Nice photos.

Three years of High School French language classes enabled me to decipher enough of the text to understand it.

[Raymond Kingfisher]

French Dancers in Oklahoma

Last nite, there was a French girl who won the Women's Jingle Dress catagory
at the UCO powwow in Edmund. Her name is Valerie Roig and her and her companion, a northern traditional dancer(also French) participated in the annual spring contest powwow

[anishinabealltheway]

Why should we be mad a europe?

I personally would love to go to Europe to Powwow down. I don't know why anyone would be upset with Europeans who are interested in our culture. You are still there. Europeans that stayed there didn't kill a single buffalo, or fence a single acre so I'm cool. Not that I hate our white boys in the states or anything.

I do think that bustles and ribbon shirts do look a little goofy on the pigmentally challenged.

[GoggenGH]

So it's okay for a person with no Indian ancestors to participate in the Pow Wows?
I guess it depends on their motivation. If it is done in order to gain fame and money, I do not support it! Would not this be a misuse of Indian traditions?

[neling4]

So it's okay for a person with no Indian ancestors to participate in the Pow Wows?
I guess it depends on their motivation. If it is done in order to gain fame and money, I do not support it! Would not this be a misuse of Indian traditions?

I believe anishinabealltheway means it is OK for them to watch, and perhaps participate in the intertribal dances, but not to dress and dance as if they were ndn.

[anishtradish]

Everyday we dress like white people with our normal everyday clothes. So I guess I don't have a problem with a white guy throwing on some buckskin and feathers.

LOL

[OLChemist]

Sometimes I think that some of the non-Indian folks who powwow and show up here begging for acceptance have another motive beyond the arena.

It seems on a subconscious level they want absolution for colonization. Acceptance in the circle is a metaphor for acknowledgement of them as a kindred spirit, separate from the sins of their nation/people's history. In essence saying, if we are willing to dance with them, they we must recognize that they are possessed of a different mindset from the colonizer. They would not have held the gun at the Wa****a or Wounded Knee. They are not guilty.

We are peoples still living in oral tradition cultures, our histories speak with the voices and emotions of kith and kin. Theirs do not, leading to a discontinuity between past and present. They honestly do not see themselves as connected to the ethos of the colonizer and indeed find that past repugnant. So they cannot recognize that to take on the trapping and customs of another culture, in what is almost an ethnic drag act, is an act of colonization.

When confronted with this, the hobbyist/emulator pleads pure intentions and a good heart. In their minds, they have repudiated the past and entered an age of human brotherhood, where we must all share and share alike for the common good. Honestly, I do not think they can see the colonizer's prerogative to take what they what for their own benefit in action when they choose interpret and imitate our practices.

They can't see they difference between themselves and the outsiders our families and communities have chosen to assimilate and enculturate, granting them a place. They miss the critical step where we retain cultural integrity and *we* choose.

[Grits & Beans]

very well spoken!

[GoggenGH]

Thanks OLChemist, you are a GREAT speaker!!!!
You should had been living 200 years ago. May be the history would had been different today.

[Grits & Beans]

Thanks OLChemist, you are a GREAT speaker!!!!
You should had been living 200 years ago. May be the history would had been different today.

two hundred years ago she would not have been taken seriously if she did speak. the sad thing is that even in this day and age most of the world does not treat women fair...just making a point here

[Joe's Dad]

Thanks OLChemist, you are a GREAT speaker!!!!
You should had been living 200 years ago. May be the history would had been different today.

The ones that walked before her 200 hundred years ago spoke for her then. She's speaking for the ones that are coming 200 years from now.

This is what the europeans don't understand about stepping into another's culture. They don't have the voices of 200 hundred years ago in their blood. They are not talking for the future of their kind when they imitate another people.

[Grits & Beans]

The ones that walked before her 200 hundred years ago spoke for her then. She's speaking for the ones that are coming 200 years from now.

This is what the europeans don't understand about stepping into another's culture. They don't have the voices of 200 hundred years ago in their blood. They are not talking for the future of their kind when they imitate another people.

dig that

[AmigoKumeyaay]

Helen Hunt Jackson "A Century of Dishonor" 1882

Thanks OLChemist, you are a GREAT speaker!!!!
You should had been living 200 years ago. May be the history would had been different today.

Helen Hunt Jackson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Helen Jackson and American Indian policy

In 1879 her interests turned to the plight of the Native Americans after attending a lecture in Boston by Ponca Chief Standing Bear, who described the forcible removal of the Ponca Indians from their Nebraska reservation. Upset over what she heard regarding the treatment of Native Americans by government agents, Jackson became an activist. She started investigating and publicizing government misconduct, circulating petitions, raising money, and writing letters to The New York Times on behalf of the Ponca.

A fiery and prolific writer, Jackson engaged in heated exchanges with federal officials over the injustices and atrocities committed against Indians. Among her special targets was U.S. Secretary of Interior Carl Schurz, whom she once called "an adroit liar." She exposed the wanton violation of Indian treaties and the manner in which unscrupulous Indian agents, military officers, and settlers encroached on and stole Indian lands. She won the support of several newspaper editors who published her reports. Among her correspondents were editor Willliam Hayes Ward of the New York Independent, Richard Watson Guilder of the Century Magazine, and publisher Whitelaw Reid of the New York Daily Tribune.[5]

Jackson also started a book condemning the state and federal Indian policy, as well as the history of broken treaties. Because she was in poor health at the time, she wrote with desperate haste. A Century of Dishonor, calling for significant reform to government policy towards Native Americans, was published in 1882.[6] Jackson then sent a copy to every member of Congress with an admonishment printed in red on the cover, "Look upon your hands: they are stained with the blood of your relations." But, to her disappointment, the book had little impact.