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    I'm still kinda new 2 powwowing but there was another thread about peeps going 2 noncontest powwows but what is da difference? R there diff dances or songs or how its run? Just wondering and how do u know when its contest or noncontest.
    dubble your pleasure~ surfs up babie~

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    Originally posted by kalifaz_beech_beauty
    I'm still kinda new 2 powwowing but there was another thread about peeps going 2 noncontest powwows but what is da difference? R there diff dances or songs or how its run? Just wondering and how do u know when its contest or noncontest.
    Typically, today's terms are "Contest Powwow" and "Traditional Powwow". Not that contest powwows lack tradition, nor that non-contest powwows dictate tradition. That's just today's term, I guess.

    At a Contest Powwow, dancers enter a dancing contest and wear numbers (to help judges and tabulators match them to their registered names). They usually compete for cash prizes awarded at the very end of the powwow by the committee. Typical first place for an adult category can be just $100 (or less) for a local powwow, to hundreds of dollars for a larger, regional powwow, to powwows like Schemitzun (once touted as the National Championship of powwows) that award $1,500. Someone told me that the Julyamsh Powwow once awarded $2,500 first place in adult categories (dunno if that's true for this year, or how long ago it was that they did that). There are smaller amounts for second and third place, and some larger powwows award out to 5th or even 6th place, and even consolation prizes beyond that. The dance contest is divided into style categories: traditional, fancy, grass, jingle, straight, prairie chicken, etc. Some powwows combine more than one category at a time (boys fancy/grass compete together sometimes). In the Pacific Northwest (this is a complain issue sometimes) they consider Prairie Chicken to be just Men's Traditional. On top of the "category" contest, families or individuals might sponsor an additional "Special" and they will select a category to dance for that special. The prize is awarded immediately and the winner is selected by judges hand-picked by the sponsor, and has nothing to do with the regular category contest. For example, an outgoing Princess might hold a "$200 Fancy Shawl Special" or a family might hold a "$500 Warbonnet Special in Honor of __(fill in the blank, Veterans, etc.)__". People take the powwow traditional seriously, but the pace is geared toward getting all categories danced and done with as soon as possible. They also have drum group contests, often with first prizes into the thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars.

    At a "Traditional Powwow", there are no category contests. There MIGHT be jackpot dances or the committee might still allow sponsors to hold specials. The atmosphere is more laid back in terms of the hustle-bustle (no pun intended) getting ready for each dance, etc., but some people might find non-contest powwowers to be kind of "preachy" when it comes to getting up to the mike and talking about how things used to be, how it is supposed to be, etc. There may be more time alotted for ceremonialism. A dropped feather will often warrent a big presentation where lots of Veterans are called forth to do the traditional pick-up dance, speak through the mike, yada yada yada. There might be more drum-whistling and other special prayers. Traditional powwows tend to be smaller. There are usually more dance and drum novices, as well as experienced champions on occasion (but champion dancers usually go to the money contests, this is actually how many powwow families put bread on the table).

    Hope this helps....
    Last edited by Wakalapi; 07-08-2005, 04:43 PM.
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    • #3
      Oh yeah, contest powwows usually advertise themselves as such. They want the champion dancers to know that there is money to be won. You will often find the payout schedule spelled out on their wall-sized full-color advertising posters. Small, traditional powwows are usually low-budget and you will probably be handed nothing more than a black-and-white letter-size photocopy telling where the powwow is and when it starts, and nothing more.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by kalifaz_beech_beauty
        ... Just wondering and how do u know when its contest or noncontest.
        KaliBbeauty,

        The answer is how a powwow labels itself.

        For example the National Museum of the American Indian NATIONAL POWWOW is a contest powwow. It will take place August 12-14, 2005 in Washington D.C.s MCI Center.

        Contestants will be competing for $100,000 in prize monies.

        Prize monies in the Golden Age (50 and above) and Adult (18 to 49 years) Men's and Women's Categories are:

        $1800 first place
        $1400 second place
        $1000 third place
        $750 fourth place
        $500 fifth place

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        Does this make sense?
        Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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        • #5
          Koolerz & here wethought da powwow was just a powwow. Thankx 4 xplaining da difference it does make sense not to mention all da prize monies!
          dubble your pleasure~ surfs up babie~

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kalifaz_beech_beauty
            I'm still kinda new 2 powwowing but there was another thread about peeps going 2 noncontest powwows but what is da difference? R there diff dances or songs or how its run? Just wondering and how do u know when its contest or noncontest.
            I be happy to explane the difference to you kalifaz may be over some dinner?DOH!!




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            • #7
              THIS WAS A GOOD QUESTION SIS.
              ~NO YOU SILLY:I DON'T HAVE 2 HANDLES~MY IDENTICAL TWIN IS KALIFAZ_BEECH_BEAUTY AND LOOK CLOSELY AT OUR AVATAR PICTURES THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT:LIKE US~

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              • #8
                Contest powwows are just that; people dance for money. Non-contest or traditional powwows are for people that have a true love and desire to dance.

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                • #9
                  more vendors at contest powwows

                  Beauty:from a vendors point of veiw there are more tables at the contest powwows (someone has to pay for the contest money).
                  Without a job, a man is hard lucked; without money, a man is poor; without a family, a man is nothing

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                  • #10
                    I've heard of a non-contest contest, where winners are picked all throughout a traditional powwow, but the judging is unannounced, and there are no category lineups. Winners are picked toward the end of the powwow because of their danceablility and participation. If a guy is dressed and sits out most of the songs or just "walks around the drum", he/she is not going to get the nod.

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