destroying the myth of aztlan and aztec HOBBYISTS

[koyoteh]

i provided a link up there to one our community members writings. he is an elder. and a captain in his circle.

he breaks everything down. answers all kinds of questions you guys have. he even agrees with some of the stuff you say.

but he says it better.

and from first hand experience.

however i shared it with you so you can talk to those mexica nazi groups with some knowledge that comes from their own culture.

i challenge you to try and see how much they do not know about their own culture. THan i ask you to figure out why they don't like it.

and you will see some of the reason why things are the way they are with those small minority groups you don't like.

You will find that they actually do not like their own culture or at least a lot of it. Danza being a big part. They hate it.

but again. you wouldn't know this from thie outside.

its a good read no matter how you use it.

[Grits & Beans]

There's a ray of sunshine in all that darkness down there...

[gilisi]

**** you just might know.

but i am gambling on not. if you did you would have different view on life.

You don't have enough to gamble at my table.

You say I have done nothing but offend you. Where? Quote me ACCURATELY on it...

You came here claiming to teach things that we need to learn, claiming we are ignorant and don't even want to know...

Show some examples

I am tired of your street sermons. You have no clue about my view on life.

And why would I share it with you since you know everything already?

[subeeds]

You talk in circles-as my Grandfather once said about a politician who was running for office, "The wind blows your words in one of my ears and out of the other because they have little meaning except for you to hear yourself".

Have a great weekend people. I plan on it.

[milehighsalute]

There's a ray of sunshine in all that darkness down there...

sorry pedro......no tortilla

[gilisi]

LOL somebody got it.

[koyoteh]

You don't have enough to gamble at my table.

You say I have done nothing but offend you. Where? Quote me ACCURATELY on it...

You came here claiming to teach things that we need to learn, claiming we are ignorant and don't even want to know...

Show some examples

I am tired of your street sermons. You have no clue about my view on life.

And why would I share it with you since you know everything already?

i ask again. did you know these things? do you know these things?
about sharing though. this is a forum. if you make statements or make insults but claim you don't want to share your views? why are you here?
if its only to share insults, make another thread for that.
i made my statements but you have not really actually commented on the meat of them. not even now.
yes it could be that you choose not to share. or it could be that you are unable to.
maybe you need to confirm what i am saying. i can wait. in the meantime why fight?

[Joe's Dad]

actually yes. i did my share of works. but in my community here.

yes i did visit reservations and helped them with whatever they wanted me to help with. From building, choppping wood, to pulling security for them.
marches? plenty. Bodyguarding the marchers? plenty.
i been to ceremony's without white people yes. but thats up town them to allow them in or keep them out.

sometimes been asked to help keeep them out.

some of that other stuff, eehh, wasn't born yet or was too young at the time.

Other than that if you want specifics, i might think you are a fed looking for a snitch.

I come the old school. We dont kiss and tell. I'm in my sixth decade of life. I wouldn't have asked you those questions if I hadnt done them myself. My son danced in Mexico City at the cathedral in both his feathers from here and in his vestuario. He has been given permission to dance with a high ranking group when he wants. To come in here and start talking about people don't know anything about aztecas, atzlan, who landed at the cactus with the eagle atop and a snake in it's mouth makes it sound like you and your teachers are the only ones who are right. This has the tones of the preachers and the padres going to set all the hesthens straight...even if it kills the heathens. There is always those who know just a little more, have done a little more and have contributed a little more.

Those are the ones who usually stay quiet...until the omniscient one comes along. I won't question you have good intentions. Slow your role and listen. You can't learn when you're talking.

[koyoteh]

You talk in circles-as my Grandfather once said about a politician who was running for office, "The wind blows your words in one of my ears and out of the other because they have little meaning except for you to hear yourself".

Have a great weekend people. I plan on it.

except i bet your gramps could actually pinpoint what he means. still ya haven't really said antyghing about the info i give.

[gilisi]

i ask again. did you know these things? do you know these things?
about sharing though. this is a forum. if you make statements or make insults but claim you don't want to share your views? why are you here?
if its only to share insults, make another thread for that.
i made my statements but you have not really actually commented on the meat of them. not even now.
yes it could be that you choose not to share. or it could be that you are unable to.
maybe you need to confirm what i am saying. i can wait. in the meantime why fight?

What is this putting me to the test garbage? I am not the one who came claiming to know all there is to know. Read this whole thread. You didn't even assert what I said where you quoted me. It is enough for me to know my own story, and as far as aztlan, I never questioned the authenticity of the origins of aztec dancers because I know what I know.

You are a Dumbazz By the way

[Grits & Beans]

except i bet your gramps could actually pinpoint what he means. still ya haven't really said antyghing about the info i give.

60 posts to your name and still you are getting zero respect. Why is that?

[gilisi]

i come the old school. We dont kiss and tell. I'm in my sixth decade of life. I wouldn't have asked you those questions if i hadnt done them myself. My son danced in mexico city at the cathedral in both his feathers from here and in his vestuario. He has been given permission to dance with a high ranking group when he wants. To come in here and start talking about people don't know anything about aztecas, atzlan, who landed at the cactus with the eagle atop and a snake in it's mouth makes it sound like you and your teachers are the only ones who are right. This has the tones of the preachers and the padres going to set all the hesthens straight...even if it kills the heathens. There is always those who know just a little more, have done a little more and have contributed a little more.

Those are the ones who usually stay quiet...until the omniscient one comes along. I won't question you have good intentions. Slow your role and listen. You can't learn when you're talking.

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[koyoteh]

I come the old school. We dont kiss and tell. I'm in my sixth decade of life. I wouldn't have asked you those questions if I hadnt done them myself. My son danced in Mexico City at the cathedral in both his feathers from here and in his vestuario. He has been given permission to dance with a high ranking group when he wants. To come in here and start talking about people don't know anything about aztecas, atzlan, who landed at the cactus with the eagle atop and a snake in it's mouth makes it sound like you and your teachers are the only ones who are right. This has the tones of the preachers and the padres going to set all the hesthens straight...even if it kills the heathens. There is always those who know just a little more, have done a little more and have contributed a little more.

Those are the ones who usually stay quit. Intil the omniscient one comes along. I won't question you have good intentions. Slow your role and listen. Youcan't learn when you're talking.

if what you say is true about your son. then all you have to do is go ask him and them about what i say.

ask them about the teachers that were sent to the states to teach here.
ask them about what went right and what went wrong.

but i am sure you know.

i also know about these things. but i also rebel against the church. THe church forced took over the danzas. created a heirarchy and even kept the darker natives out. A lot of discrmintation existed in the church dance groups.
on the oppposite side of the table , a lot of danza remained in the villages because well that where they devleoped but also because they were not allowed into the larger dance circles.
but you would know that.
i have been quiet from these forums for years. yes i can keep quiet. but when i hear people speak lies, well, sometimes i got to say something.

or when i hear people mention a story with parts missing and i have one of the missing pieces, it becomes a responsibility to say something.

no its the churches teachings that tell the heathens to stay quiet.
i rebelled against those church ways. my group rebelled against those church ways.

and if what you say is true about your son being a part of the dance circles in mexico, it will not take you long to figure out which rebellious dance group i come from.
They will tell you. There is only one as far i know, us.

you talk about being allowed to dance at a cathedral? then you know about the mesas. YOu know the aztlan stories. yet you put it down and allow others to do the same.

you know that others besides your son were given permission to dance. you know how that works then.

you know that the people here were given permission to dance, yet do you defend them or help out when they make mistakes? maybe you help out, but i haven't seen you defend them yet. quite the opposite.
if what you say is true, then you do know about all the sub groups and branches.

you also would know of the different styles of danza and their different ideaologies and philosphies and how many of the old church groups have told the people up here not to defend thenmselves or stand up for their rights or make changes that will save them.

you will know about the warrior danza groups.

[koyoteh]

having been around so long, and knowing people the dancers who have an aztlan story, and having a son there. you should know the aztlan story well.

but this is thread entitled Destroying the myth of aztlan, and your best piece of info to destroy it is too just call it aztlan bull****.

that sir disrespects the people you say are a part of.

i would hope that an elder would at least defend his people.
even they are his people solely by association and acceptance.

knowing the story , i bet you could offer more than just kissing and yelling bull****.

[gilisi]

AHO!

Your name is no longer koyoteh

it is now marrano