2010 Hunting Moon Pow Wow

[Paul G]

Hunting Moon Pow Wow
Milwaukee, WI
October 22-24, 2010

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[yellowrunwithbuffalo]

I am new to powwows website ,i like it1

[JuanCar]

Hi I was just wandering if there is any way to make the Powwow.com feeds more stronger?

[Paul G]

Hi I was just wandering if there is any way to make the Powwow.com feeds more stronger?

Stronger?? What do you mean?

[JuanCar]

Well the live feed is kind of weak. I dont know what else I can do on my side. I've tried messing with the plugin options but nothing seems to work. Do you think it has something to do with the Powwow camera?

[Paul G]

Well the live feed is kind of weak. I dont know what else I can do on my side. I've tried messing with the plugin options but nothing seems to work. Do you think it has something to do with the Powwow camera?

Define weak.

[Paul G]

Well the live feed is kind of weak. I dont know what else I can do on my side. I've tried messing with the plugin options but nothing seems to work. Do you think it has something to do with the Powwow camera?

I need you to give me details to diagnose the problem.

[JuanCar]

Well the image is kind of distorted. And the feed is not constent, it breaks up and then it comes back. It would be nice to have it like a live news broadcast. Do you think that is even possible?

[Paul G]

Well the image is kind of distorted. And the feed is not constent, it breaks up and then it comes back. It would be nice to have it like a live news broadcast. Do you think that is even possible?

Distorted, not sure what you mean by that. It's not going to be crystal clear. It is live video that is being compressed. So there will be pixelation.

We do have some issues with the internet connection that causes our signal to stop periodically.

But you may also be having issues with your computer not handling the buffer.

Live news? Great idea. But I don't know that it is possible for us right now. We don't have that kind of budget.

[JuanCar]

Yes that is what I meant by distortion, the pixelation. And I think that the buffering could be a little better but I'm not sure if it's just my computer or it may be how you mentioned an issue with your internet connection. Well anyhow I wish you the best of luck. I am new on here and I love what you guys are doing. I hope that you will be able to find some funding to help out in future broadcasting.

[Paul G]

Yes that is what I meant by distortion, the pixelation. And I think that the buffering could be a little better but I'm not sure if it's just my computer or it may be how you mentioned an issue with your internet connection. Well anyhow I wish you the best of luck. I am new on here and I love what you guys are doing. I hope that you will be able to find some funding to help out in future broadcasting.

The distortion is a combination of both probably.

Hope you enjoy.

[Toolbox]

Yes that is what I meant by distortion, the pixelation. And I think that the buffering could be a little better but I'm not sure if it's just my computer or it may be how you mentioned an issue with your internet connection. Well anyhow I wish you the best of luck. I am new on here and I love what you guys are doing. I hope that you will be able to find some funding to help out in future broadcasting.

Well you have to look at it this way. When it comes to streaming a live multi-cam broadcast at a remote location (not being where powwows.com HQ is), there are really 2 different systems and groups (departments etc...) involved. First you have the video system which in of itself is can be a complicated set-up, not quite as simple as plugging in a wire and hit record. Sometimes you run into issues of a bad wire, out of sync cameras or dirty electricity (look at some of the older broadcasts from GON you'll see a slight roll in the video, caused when the power going to that cam is not in sync with the power of the other equipment). As some people experienced over the past weekend the codec, the software the enCODes and DECodes the audio and video images, does not always function correctly, they all have their flaws and sometimes it is the end user's (you) computer that has the problem.

The second system and thus a second department or crew or group, are the IT people. They supply the internet connection and bandwidth (the amount of space data takes up in a stream) that is required for the audio and video to be broadcast to the server and then to you. At Hunting Moon I was told that the casino could not supply enough outgoing bandwidth to fully support the broadcast. This issue the Powwows.com crew can do nothing about as it is out of their control. When a lack of bandwidth issue occurs 1 of 2 things (sometimes both) will happen. The first is the video will keep cutting or constantly buffer every so often, and then freeze. The second will be that the codec will compress the video even more to limit the stream size to something that can fit in the available bandwidth.

Imagine bandwidth as traffic trying to cross a 4 lane bridge (2 in each direction). Now lets say you have thousands of cars each with varying amounts of passengers in them, these will be the video data. Imagine how long and how slow traffic will be trying to get them across the bridge. Now compression could then be likened to that of buses, so you have chunks of people taking several buses, this would lessen the amount of cars going across and that means faster flow, and in our example that means less data, and lower quality of video.

Paul, I feel your pain when it comes to working with video systems, lol.

[Joe's Dad]

Well you have to look at it this way. When it comes to streaming a live multi-cam broadcast at a remote location (not being where powwows.com HQ is), there are really 2 different systems and groups (departments etc...) involved. First you have the video system which in of itself is can be a complicated set-up, not quite as simple as plugging in a wire and hit record. Sometimes you run into issues of a bad wire, out of sync cameras or dirty electricity (look at some of the older broadcasts from GON you'll see a slight roll in the video, caused when the power going to that cam is not in sync with the power of the other equipment). As some people experienced over the past weekend the codec, the software the enCODes and DECodes the audio and video images, does not always function correctly, they all have their flaws and sometimes it is the end user's (you) computer that has the problem.

The second system and thus a second department or crew or group, are the IT people. They supply the internet connection and bandwidth (the amount of space data takes up in a stream) that is required for the audio and video to be broadcast to the server and then to you. At Hunting Moon I was told that the casino could not supply enough outgoing bandwidth to fully support the broadcast. This issue the Powwows.com crew can do nothing about as it is out of their control. When a lack of bandwidth issue occurs 1 of 2 things (sometimes both) will happen. The first is the video will keep cutting or constantly buffer every so often, and then freeze. The second will be that the codec will compress the video even more to limit the stream size to something that can fit in the available bandwidth.

Imagine bandwidth as traffic trying to cross a 4 lane bridge (2 in each direction). Now lets say you have thousands of cars each with varying amounts of passengers in them, these will be the video data. Imagine how long and how slow traffic will be trying to get them across the bridge. Now compression could then be likened to that of buses, so you have chunks of people taking several buses, this would lessen the amount of cars going across and that means faster flow, and in our example that means less data, and lower quality of video.

Paul, I feel your pain when it comes to working with video systems, lol.

Holay! I actually understood this chit!!!

[ok24stacey]

Rotf JD.....

when I saw "live news" I thought of all sorts of good stuff to report.....

[Native 1]

any results yet?