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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kiwehnzii
    but like others these days...people move to where jobs and opportunity are seen as better...

    What you said is.............. Metis live mainly in Sask. ..........but people move to where jobs and opportunity are better...

    It appears that you may believe that some Metis may have moved to maybe that area in the States where jobs and opportunity are better. Doesn't it?
    No, it doesn't. They may have gone to other provinces...to America...to just about anywhere...
    I've never been to Indianapolis...or to that powwow, why on earth would I comment on what happened at it? Just a statement...that you can't assume any group of people are where they were historically...and nothing more meant, or implied. That's ALL I was saying....period.

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    • #17
      I hear what you're saying though what I meant was more along the lines of large groups of people claiming Metis. Hmm, how can I explain this better?
      Like if I saw a flyer for a Navajo powwow that is taking place in Maine, umm, i'll definitely raise an eyebrow, lol. Not to say that it's a total impossibility, lol but it would be a bit suspect to me.
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      • #18
        Yeah I agree....but I wasn't commenting on the PW one way or the other...or on if it's METIS or not...or valid or not. But yeah, It would seem wierd, now that I think about it, in light of what you have written tho.

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        • #19
          Whome

          Sorry, but I wasn't there so i can't comment on the dance at all...but if it is the people that Mato described then I have no doubts it was 'interesting' to say the least.

          As for Metis being in the area...there may be some real ones, but I sure got my doubts about the folks that have claimed to be Metis to me personally around here. Most wouldn't know an NDN if they got smacked in the face by one and have a serious thang for the HOLLYWOOD NDN stereotype to the point that they try to look and talk in that manner, and I mean the "really" bad 1950's NDN portrayal too.
          PB49

          "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso

          "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift...that is why is it called the Present." Master Oogway - KungFu Panda


          My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mato Winyan
            Last I knew it was headed by a guy named Bill Satori. Odd bird that claims to be a great medicine man.

            *L Me and Quick Silver should go up there with our Indian Police T-Shirts and challenge this guy to a "Medicine man contest."

            The loser has to leave town *L

            I'll bring the Tylenol and Aspirin and Quicksilver, you bring the No Doze and Nyquil?
            Powwows will continue to evolve in many directions. It is inevitable.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by WhoMe
              *L Me and Quick Silver should go up there with our Indian Police T-Shirts and challenge this guy to a "Medicine man contest."

              The loser has to leave town *L

              I'll bring the Tylenol and Aspirin and Quicksilver, you bring the No Doze and Nyquil?
              I hate Nyquil because of that wormhole transitional out of body for a split second feeling that it gives me. Better yet, I'll bring the Valium.

              p.s. Disregard the Medicine Man talk for I have no right to even use those words.

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              • #22
                No survivors!

                Last edited by kitchemanitou; 06-15-2005, 12:45 PM. Reason: cant get the post on?
                http://www.shannonthunderbird.com/IndGive1.gif

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                • #23
                  That's hilarious *ROTFLMAO* -- "no survivors"....

                  One thing forgot to mention was that they had a naming ceremony also. Someone actually received "Dances with indians".
                  "We who are clay blended by the Master Potter, come from the kiln of Creation in many hues. How can people say one skin is colored, when each has its own coloration? What should it matter that one bowl is dark and the other pale, if each is of good design and serves its purpose well." ~~~Polingaysi Qoyawayma, Hopi~~~

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                  • #24
                    real indians or chicago ones.. lol
                    thanks dad for showing me the way, teaching me the language, and not leaving my mother...*L*

                    *RoUg3 MoD sTaTuS*

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                    • #25
                      I went to this gathering. It was a little better than the so called one last year. I attend several pow Wows in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Illinois. I am an Old Style Woodland Dancer.
                      This was an attempt at a Pow Wow! They were not hobbists. If you wanna see a hobbist Pow Wow go to Tipton, Indiana on Labor Day weekend. If you are so set against non-full bloods participating in regalia, look at all the full bloods that go to Tipton and are part of the Four-Hundred dancers at Grand Entry there.
                      This was a poor attempt on their part at an getting some recognition of the Metis group by the City of Indianapolis. I believe that if you have a gripe about something at a gathering, you should find a committe member and ask what and why it was done as it was. I do personaly know all the people that Mato Winyan was speaking about. Some I count as friends.
                      Bill Satori WAS being instructed in the ways of the Medewin Society by an Elder in Fort Wayne , Indiana, until that Elder crossed over! He is not officialy recognized by the Medewin in any of the surounding states. But it seems to me that they don't even recognize each other for that matter.
                      Oh... I am mixed blood Cherokee/Apache/Swiss. And I don't have A CDIB card. So, I guess I don't know anything about Native culture or Pow Wow protocall. Even after 16 years on the circut. And people do leave the REZ and their places of birth to find a better life in another part of the country or another country for that matter. Do they give up their status as Native Americans if they do? I know Bloods who have never been to a Pow Wow.

                      Osda svnoi ( good night) Dohiya (until we meet again) Nvwadohiyada ( peace)!

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                      • #26
                        Well for the dance I was not there and can not comment on the dance. But I will say its a indiana powwow. I am from Indiana born and raised, there are few dances I attend here. But as for Labor day, Tipton is the best powwow you will find in the Mid-west next to the NDN powwows up in Michigan and Chicago. I also hear the dances in Bloomington and Anderson are pretty good dances also.

                        But for the Tipton basher, Its a dance like you would see in Oklahoma with out the contesting. And I know........
                        If I do not know the answer someone else will!!!!
                        Also forgive me, this system does not have a spell check so forgive the bad spelling

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Seesfar
                          I I am an Old Style Woodland Dancer.

                          What the heck is that?????? The last person I heard say that is what they danced was a hobbyist (no seriously he said he was).

                          And what is up with people making angry posts and then signing it with Peace???? Why not just sign it.. bite me?
                          Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.sigpic

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                          • #28
                            Sorry Mato,

                            I accidently erased your message instead of copying it.

                            Do you know how to get it back?
                            Last edited by WhoMe; 06-16-2005, 12:47 PM.
                            "We see it as a desecration not only of a mountain but of our way of life. This is a genocidal issue to us. If they kill this mountain, they kill our way of life." ~Debra White Plume

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Seesfar
                              This was a poor attempt on their part at an getting some recognition of the Metis group by the City of Indianapolis.
                              If I were part of Indy's city council or tourism dept. and someone without a CDIB came to my office to gain recognition as an Native American entity, I would certainly be suspect of that request. If that person also had primarily european features, I would be evn more suspect.

                              Originally posted by Seesfar
                              I believe that if you have a gripe about something at a gathering, you should find a committe member and ask what and why it was done as it was.
                              I was not there to piss on anyone's parade, I merely wanted to soothe my spirit and tell mother earth that I was alive by dancing on her. But when you see other hopping around yelping like a dog that got hit by a pickup, then that hurts your pride. It sickened mine.

                              Originally posted by Seesfar
                              And people do leave the REZ and their places of birth to find a better life in another part of the country or another country for that matter.
                              I would not say leaving the Rez is good or better way to find happiness. I think my ancestral homelands are the most beautiful place on earth. To be honest, I don't like it here, but they pay me well and I get to visit with other native nations. Making the best of my situation.

                              Originally posted by Seesfar
                              Do they give up their status as Native Americans if they do?
                              There are natives in various parts of this country that did give up their identity because they were treated like third class people. Those natives were not even recognized as state or US citizens. They were not able to attend schools, get healthcare, and the even lost their homelands. The only thing they could do is say they were another race. So the answer to your question is YES!
                              "We who are clay blended by the Master Potter, come from the kiln of Creation in many hues. How can people say one skin is colored, when each has its own coloration? What should it matter that one bowl is dark and the other pale, if each is of good design and serves its purpose well." ~~~Polingaysi Qoyawayma, Hopi~~~

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Seesfar
                                Oh... I am mixed blood Cherokee/Apache/Swiss. And I don't have A CDIB card. So, I guess I don't know anything about Native culture or Pow Wow protocall. Even after 16 years on the circut. And people do leave the REZ and their places of birth to find a better life in another part of the country or another country for that matter. Do they give up their status as Native Americans if they do? I know Bloods who have never been to a Pow Wow.

                                Osda svnoi ( good night) Dohiya (until we meet again) Nvwadohiyada ( peace)!
                                Your Swiss heritage must've been a handicap, right? What a downfall to have blond hair and blue eyes a la Paris Hilton. She'd probably say that you were HOT, lol.

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