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    I just made a friend from the Onondaga tribe. During his presentation, he wore a white gustowe headdress.

    Are these new or have white gustowes always been a part of Haudesaunee culture?

    Is there certain patterns in the band that indicate what nation the wearer belongs to?

    If one has antlers on their gustowe does this indicate anything?
    Last edited by WhoMe; 01-18-2010, 06:10 PM.
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    Wow great questions!
    Mine is completely done in great horned owl feathers and dates back to early 1900 or even earlier. There is an undercoat of raven feathers too on some areas.
    As to your questions, I hope there are some folks that can answer them.
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    • #3
      what do you mean by white gustoweh? the split feathers? i have one where the split feathers are all white. deer antlers mean that the person is a roiane, a leader not a "chief". the arangement of the upright feathers determines nation...three up, mohawk...one up, one down, onondaga...two up, one sloped, oneida...one sloped, cayuga...one up, seneca...no feathers up, tuscarora.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by blacktail View Post
        what do you mean by white gustoweh? the split feathers? i have one where the split feathers are all white. deer antlers mean that the person is a roiane, a leader not a "chief". the arangement of the upright feathers determines nation...three up, mohawk...one up, one down, onondaga...two up, one sloped, oneida...one sloped, cayuga...one up, seneca...no feathers up, tuscarora.
        black,

        Yes. I mean the white split feathers of the gustoweh. Did the Haudenosaunee always wear these or are they fairly recent?
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        • #5
          i can call my uncle on the rez if you want. i'm not completly sure. gustowehs themselves didn't show up til mid 19th century. i know they can be made from baldy tail feathers from time to time when they are available. now there made with domestic turkey. all depends on the owner's choice.
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          • #6
            Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee: Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear


            Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee
            Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear
            Mar 13, 2009 Maureen Zieber

            The Haudenosaunee have been living in several places around the United States and Canada for centuries. What keeps them unified is the use of the Gustoweh, or 'real hat'.



            The Haudenosaunee (People of the Longhouse) also known as the Iroquois people, originally lived in New York and are known for many historical changes. Originally, at the start of the Confederacy, which is speculated to many different dates from the fifteenth century to the seventeenth century, there were only five nations (Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca). By the early eighteenth century, the Tuscarora joined the Confederacy to make it six nations. Materially, the Haudenosaunee were typical with other tribes, insomuch that they had several different types of headgear that were worn by both men and women. What makes them stand apart from other nations is their feathered hats that the men wear. This hat is known in language as gustoweh, kastoweh or traditional feathered cap.

            Read the rest of the article here:
            Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee: Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear

            Sources:

            George-Kanentiio, Doug. (2000). Iroquois Culture & Commentary. Santa Fe, New Mexico: Clear Light Publishers.

            Lyford, Carrie A. (1982). Iroquois Crafts. Stevens Point, Wisconsin: R. Schneider, Publishers.

            Parker, Arthur C. (1975). The Indian How Book: Authentic Information on American Indian Crafts, Customs, Food and Clothing, Religion and Recreations. New York, New York: Dover Publications, Inc.



            Read more at Suite101: Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee: Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee: Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear
            Last edited by AmigoKumeyaay; 05-03-2012, 01:59 PM. Reason: Removed part of article at request of author.
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            • #7
              What keeps them unified is the use of the Gustoweh, or 'real hat'.

              i wouldn't say that. what keeps us unified is no different than any other native nation. community, language, ceremonies, family, ect.

              In some instances, exploit feathers are then attached to trail behind the sockets.

              what does this mean? never seen this.
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              • #8
                Here's info on the writer of that article - Maureen Zieber

                Maureen Zieber

                Contributing Writer

                I currently hold a Bachelor's Degree in World History, and Women's Studies, with a minor in Anthropology from the University of Delaware, in Newark, Delaware. I am currently finishing up a Master's Degree in Secondary Social Studies Education from Wilmington University, in New Castle, Delaware. I am employed as an Assistant Director at the Iron Hill Museum in Newark, Delaware.

                I hold many interests, and being of native heritage, my main topic of choice is First Nations/Native issues. This way, I am able to learn more about my people, as well as the history, culture and customs of other native nations. I am also dedicated to the history of women's rights, history, and struggles. There are so many untold or unknown stories in the world strictly because they are from the experiences of women. I hope to shed light on, and bring interest to the lives of women, both big and small. I am also a strong voice for education and religion. For me, these topics go hand in hand.

                Read more at Suite101: Maureen Zieber Maureen Zieber

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                (Ms. Zieber's article does not contain footnotes to attribute her statement about "exploit feathers")

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                • #9
                  i'm going to tread very lightly when i say this, so no one read into this the wrong way. just because someone has a degree doesn't mean they have the correct information. think how many times "history" has been re-written. anything that you read, you must take so far with a grain of salt, and then try to talk to the people themselves. and sometimes the people have gone slightly askew. an example, some people on our rez (akwesasne) think an owl is a "bad omen" or a sign that someone is going to die. that's a belief that the pains cultures have. here in the east we have stories, early pipes, and the like with images of owls. so they couldn't have been viewed in that light back then. so how do we react to this? well, chalk it up to oops, we made a mistake, we're human, and take our new found knowledge and share with others.
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                  • #10
                    Hi14 Good page!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tob0127 View Post
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oldjew0128
                        I’m interested in sport but, besides that , there are many other things that I’m interested in, such as computers and music.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tibiki Kinew View Post
                          Wow great questions!
                          Mine is completely done in great horned owl feathers and dates back to early 1900 or even earlier. There is an undercoat of raven feathers too on some areas.
                          As to your questions, I hope there are some folks that can answer them.

                          Amigo, black and Tibiki,

                          Thanks for the posts.

                          I have a friend who is Creek and has been living among the Haudenosaune. He wears a gustowe without any primary feathers on top.

                          Is this common?
                          Last edited by WhoMe; 02-17-2010, 04:55 PM.
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                          • #14
                            no feathers means tuscarora.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lolly147
                              Gustoweh Worn by the Haudenosaunee
                              Male Pride in Indigenous Headgear
                              Mar 13, 2009 Maureen Zieber

                              The Haudenosaunee have been living in several places around the United States and Canada for centuries. What keeps them unified is the use of the Gustoweh, or 'real hat'.



                              The Haudenosaunee (People of the Longhouse) also known as the Iroquois people, originally lived in New York and are known for many historical changes. Originally, at the start of the Confederacy, which is speculated to many different dates from the fifteenth century to the seventeenth century, there were only five nations (Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca). By the early eighteenth century, the Tuscarora joined the Confederacy to make it six nations. Materially, the Haudenosaunee were typical with other tribes, insomuch that they had several different types of headgear that were worn by both men and women. What makes them stand apart from other nations is their feathered hats that the men wear. This hat is known in language as gustoweh, kastoweh or traditional feathered cap.

                              LOL LOL LOL lolly!

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