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  • #16
    I have seen this type of shawl out in OK the last 2 summers, so would ASSUME that it is acceptable, if not actually correct. They dont wear them, so dont know that anyone would really know the difference. It is actually half the size of a full size one, and fringed only on the bottom, as that is all that shows.
    Mato, I have a half shawl given to me by Betty W. about 18 years ago, and it was old then. (could just have been incorrect then too!);) I use it quite a bit, have you ever been able to tell?

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    • #17
      The majority of my shawls are the 3/4 shawls used only for my regalia. Make sure you do not make it too light, it doesn't swing as nicely. If you do make it too light, use fishing weights at the bottom to give it more swing without having to use your arm to swing it. That takes away from your rhythm when you are worrying about whether your shawl is swinging. ha ha It looks bad too. Especially with the lighter materials we are using today, the sparkle satin and the shinier stuff. My mom basically only uses bridal satin because it is heavier, dry cleans better,and keeps its form longer. We have never used taffeta because it takes more care and doesn't last very long. Plus when you sit down, bridal satin doesn't wrinkle as easily. I have skirts that are 30 years old that have been dry cleaned and look pretty good.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by paraivo
        ...it is called a "peetsquina"(not sure about the spelling). I don't know if the name of the women's apron is the same.
        I was told peetsquinaa translates to shawl -- makes sense, since that's all it really was -- and that it is the same for both men and women. Comanche men and women, that is.

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        • #19
          I've seen the lighter shawls also, at pow wows lately. Ladies that used to say they would never carrying anything but a full shawl are now looking at these. I've seen them but haven't made one yet.

          I made the mistake of making a really nice full shawl, with fringe tied every half inch, fringe about 17 inches long (I'm tall, so I had added some length).....it made a really nice shawl, but it's a little heavy. I had thought about adding the glass beads....but after the first time carrying it, I decided not to.

          Also, just my two cents on the apron, my little comanche aunt (adopted.....I'm creek) told me the apron was from women's kitchen aprons. She told me that whenever a woman had company she would wear her best apron.....same for pow wows.

          Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion....... :)

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          • #20
            I have been married down here in Comanche country and have had the honor of talking to Margie Sovo and Rose Attocknie, who are the elder women of the Tu-Whee society.They said that the Peetsaqueenah (?), is to cover the body as a show of modesty. It is to be loose fitting. I have four daughters and I had brought out the oldest two at Ponca, but am getting ready to dress them Comanche, otter hat and all. I have spoken to the aunts of my husband and they are helping me to prepare my daughters' dresses, etc., so I won't get anything wrong or offend any of their elders.

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            • #21
              All of this has been great. very informative also.
              Now I'm ready to go off and dance somewhere - but I'll wait for Knoxville to be my first dance this year.

              Anyone going anywhere be carefull and have fun

              Good luck Ayita at Haliwa.
              D
              Well will wonders never cease.....

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              • #22
                Mato, I have a half shawl given to me by Betty W. about 18 years ago, and it was old then. (could just have been incorrect then too!) I use it quite a bit, have you ever been able to tell?
                Nope, could have fooled me. ;)
                "We see it as a desecration not only of a mountain but of our way of life. This is a genocidal issue to us. If they kill this mountain, they kill our way of life." ~Debra White Plume

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                • #23
                  I dance Northern Cloth and I was told (by my mother) to carry the shawl on my left arm, with the shawl folded so the fringe hangs from my left elbow down, and across the bottom....

                  ALSO, how about that little 3 inch hangy down piece of cloth on the bottom of Northern Cloth dresses! Anyone know what that is for? I have asked several people and they usually just say it is "tradition" to add that.

                  Interesting thread!! :Chatter
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                  • #24
                    I think it is part of the Kiowa dress style - not sure been awhile since i heard anything
                    Not sure may have to ask a Kiowa....
                    Well will wonders never cease.....

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                    • #25
                      Comanches, not kiowas have a tab that hangs from the side bottom of their dress. (usually incorporates into their side gusset) Is that where you are refering to? I was told years ago that it is a reminder of when the feet of the deer were left on the dresses. Not sure if that is actually it, but that is what I was told.

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                      • #26
                        I think that some of the Apaches will even wear the shawl wrap over their dresses. This is the same as the Comanches, and Kiowas. I did used to live in Lawton OK area and still have family down there.
                        BOB

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