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    I love my cheater shawls...anybody with me???? Huh, huh, huh?
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  • #2
    OK I'll bite, what's a "cheater" shawl?

    I have a shawl my Husband bought me at a store, that is undecorated .... it that cheating? Or is it something intirely different? We (my daughter and I) don't wear our shawls, they are carried over our arms .... (unless my daughter gets cold, then she'll bundle up in her's);)
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    • #3
      Southern cloth and buckskin ladies carry their shawls folded over one arm. Traditionally, this shawl is just the normal dance shawl folded neatly so that the fringe will sway beautifully as the woman dances. But many women are now carrying cheater shawls...not a full sized dance shawl...which is cut and sewn to fit the arm so that the dancer does not have to worry with keeping the folds straight and tucking all that extra fringe. My cheater shawls are lightweight with centered applique designs and fringe or ribbon only on the bottom edge. They are less expensive to make, easier to carry, and (in my opinion) neater and more tailored looking when dancing.

      I still have lots of full sized shawls to wear with my fancy-dance clothes or over my street clothes, but I just like the looks of a cheater shawl on my arm when I'm in my tradish clothes.
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      • #4
        Ohhhhhhh ok

        I have to admit my first shawl was really a fancy fringed table runner ..... hmmm maybe I'll dig that one back out. Several of the ladies looked at it, I told them that it was a gift from my daughter(she didn't know about shawls, and thought Mommy would like that one). Many of them wanted to know where they might get one, and complimented it (not the sarcastic, making fun of it kind of compliments either) I have noticed more of the ladies having one simular, maybe I accidently got something going in this area? It layed so nice and straight, but I wanted one like all the other ladies, and my husband found the one I use now! So now what happens? Everyone has one like my first one! sigh

        ok so I try to go with the flow .... most of the time .....
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        • #5
          I personally don't like them. Part of your skill in dancing comes from being able to "control" your shawl. That means keeping it all together and swinging in a graceful manner while dancing.

          I make alot Southern Cloth outfits and have made cheaters, but I don't like to. For me (a personal preference) if you can't use a full shawl - I won't vote for ya. I believe in keeping it real -- I want to see all you skills.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by luvstraightdancrs
            I personally don't like them. Part of your skill in dancing comes from being able to "control" your shawl. That means keeping it all together and swinging in a graceful manner while dancing.

            I make alot Southern Cloth outfits and have made cheaters, but I don't like to. For me (a personal preference) if you can't use a full shawl - I won't vote for ya. I believe in keeping it real -- I want to see all you skills.
            I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YA!

            I can't stand those things. I like the full shawls for the weight- you dont have to work so hard to get it to swing-n-sway! lol

            I tried one- but was just tooooo weird. Felt like I had nothing on- felt nekkid w/o a full shawl! lol I can understand if maybe someone gave me one or made me one- Then as per tradition- I'd use it for a while- but I'd always go back to the real-deal!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by luvstraightdancrs
              I personally don't like them. Part of your skill in dancing comes from being able to "control" your shawl. That means keeping it all together and swinging in a graceful manner while dancing.

              I make alot Southern Cloth outfits and have made cheaters, but I don't like to. For me (a personal preference) if you can't use a full shawl - I won't vote for ya. I believe in keeping it real -- I want to see all you skills.
              I can understand this, and support your thoughts, especially during competition! But I am not a competitor, and sometimes at least in this area, it gets extremely humid, and hot, carrying a full shawl over your arm can break you out in a rash ... been there done that, I cannot use wool, because I'm allergic to it. So I stick with a cotton shawl, but the one I started with, was kind of a tatted lace table runner, with fringe, that is simply gorgeous, and light .... it's one I won't dare put on my table because of cats! But to use as a Pow Wow shawl, has cause envy in others, only one ever got snide, and an Elder lady promptly told them off. If I were competing I would not think about using it. But it was a gift, and it is pretty ...... but at the same time, I still like the whole shawl too .....

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              • #8
                It's not just about competition. It's about the whole idea of a "cheater". It is just that. Not the way you shawl is supposed to be. About being hot - oh well, then you have to be hot. To me it's kinda like gourd dancing in shorts and a t-shirt. You are supposed to sacrifice a little for your ways -- so what if it's hot and sticky. Let's keep it real! Everyone is getting caught up in the "new old way". Just because a few do it doesn't make it alright. If you keep taking short cuts - you will loose your way.

                Just my 2 cents.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by luvstraightdancrs
                  You are supposed to sacrifice a little for your ways -- so what if it's hot and sticky. Let's keep it real! Everyone is getting caught up in the "new old way". Just because a few do it doesn't make it alright. If you keep taking short cuts - you will loose your way.
                  Hot and sticky is one thing, getting a rash is something else, am I to just quit dancing all together because of that? Lots of others have wool shawls, even in the summer time! I'm allergic to wool, so do I use the wool anyway because it's "traditional" and sacrifise myself?

                  I do not cut down the "cheaters" but at the same time, I can see the point of traditional too! There is a time and place for everything! That is what I was saying in my posts! I am teaching my daughter the right way to do things, but it is up to her what she does with that knowledge! She was very embarrassed, and hurt when she realized on her own, through watching others, and asking questions, that the shawl she bought her Momma, was not really appropriate, but an Elder Lady, told her to hold up her head, because I use/used it with pride, as it was a gift of love!
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                  • #10
                    I know that wool is traditional, but why don't you try making one out of a different type of material. The first one that I made was cotton broadcloth with ribbon for the fringe, it's a lot lighter than wool. Also gaberdine is what others make theirs out of, that way you can make it the colors that you want.:Idea :44: :Angel2
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                    • #11
                      'm not saying that you have to use wool -- in order to keep it real...........what I am saying is that cheaters are just that -- cheaters and not appropriate if you are trying to teach anyone the "right way". There are alot of other materials out there -- I personally use gabaridine but the size is that of a full size shawl.

                      The size is what I was talking about - not the material. If you are allergic to wool - don't use it -- duh! But if we are going to teach our children the right way - then why start out teaching them that it is okay to take a lesser route.

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                      • #12
                        Geeez, I didn't mean to start such an argument! Down girls, DOWN! lol
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by luvstraightdancrs
                          ...........what I am saying is that cheaters are just that -- cheaters and not appropriate if you are trying to teach anyone the "right way".....if we are going to teach our children the right way - then why start out teaching them that it is okay to take a lesser route.
                          So how do you feel about fancy shawl dancers using half shawls?
                          Is this any different than cloth dancers using "cheater" shawls?

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                          • #14
                            I prefer full size shawls on fancy shawl dancers as well. Just my own opinion and feelings. Not trying to argue but stating my thoughts.

                            I have made a few fancy shawl outfits as well, and done the half shawl thing for them. They dance a different style, their fringe doesn't have to swing with their steps - cloth dancers do.

                            A half shawl is completely different from a "cheater". You at least have fringe around 3 sides - with a cheater it's only on a space as wide as your forearm - consequently no weight - no movement unless you swing your arm or cheat even further by adding weights.

                            Two different styles - two different needs. In cloth dancing a half shawl is okay if you can't handle all the weight but I prefer the "cheaters" be left at home. Just my two cents.

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                            • #15
                              Just to let you know, my daughter and I both own full size shawls,( of a cotton variety) one is a light blue, and the other one is a dark blue, depending on which color we wear to the Pow Wow, we will trade back and forth. But I also have two extra shawls, one that is a lace table runner, that was my first shawl, and the other is a triangle shawl that was also a gift. We use those depending on what is going on, and sometimes young girls will come up and ask about how to enter the circle during an intertribal, and we will loan them one of the shawls, and escort them in. Teaching them how to honor the circle as we go.
                              Last edited by Tsiniti; 04-22-2003, 09:30 PM.
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