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  • #31
    Who wrote the rule on how a woman should make her shawl? Obviously the people who don't agree on "cheater" shawls don't have to wear them or supply the material and time it takes to make a shawl. I used to dance fancy and there is no way I would put fringe around the whole perimeter of the material or have it so it folds in half. That's way too much excess fringe and material for no reason. Everyone who makes our uses those type of shawls should stop calling them "cheaters". That's just the way shawls are made these days.
    Danielle and the rest -- I don't think that anyone can say that Fancy Shawl dancers use cheaters. Their shawls are totally different than Southern Cloth. I agree that fringe on four sides of a Fancy Shawl is (for lack of a better word) a hobbiest thing.

    I do wear and supply material for shawls...I make regalia for a living. So I am aware of the cost factor, weight, and whatever other lame reasons you have for using anything less than a full size shawl. I was stating a personal preference -- I like old school, always will. Like I said before just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right. Show me your skills when dancing - not that you can conform and do like everyone else.

    And by the way - the shawls I am referring to are for Southern Cloth -- not fancy shawl. Two completely different styles. Therefore requiring different forms of design work and construction.

    If everyone is so interested in carrying on the "right way" then why take short cuts?

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    • #32
      I have family and gal friends that use these "cheater" shawls. And i think they look just as kewl. Like my sister says "I make my outfit the way I want it" and she places all the time. She uses both type of shawls. The "standerd" and cheater. And long as the shawl enhances her outfit and she gets that fringe swaying she still looks good. I seen many women with shawls like this. Out here in OK and all over the rest of ndn cuntry. I say stick with what you like ladies.
      everything needs a bit more taste that's were Spicy comes in

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      • #33
        Originally posted by spicysouthern
        I have family and gal friends that use these "cheater" shawls. And i think they look just as kewl. Like my sister says "I make my outfit the way I want it" and she places all the time. She uses both type of shawls. The "standerd" and cheater. And long as the shawl enhances her outfit and she gets that fringe swaying she still looks good. I seen many women with shawls like this. Out here in OK and all over the rest of ndn cuntry. I say stick with what you like ladies.
        right on i agree
        plus whenever you get pressed for tim a cheater is faster! :)

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        • #34
          You know what amuses me about this thread? Luvs straightdancers is looking down on these shawls, calling them "cheaters" and she supports her teen son moving up into mens category and doesn't think that's cheating.

          Like she says," If everyone is so interested in carrying on the " right way " then why take shortcuts?

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          • #35
            Harold, my son's just bumping up in age categories and he doesn't do it all the time. I would prefer he stay in teens but if he thinks he can do it then why not. If cheater shawls are okay with you then why not bumping up. I view it as trying to run with the big guns. If he was a grown man dancing in teens - then that would be cheating. The only way bumping up is cheating is taking the chance on not placing..

            And yes, those shawls are cheaters.....They are short cuts trying to get the full effect in looks...trying to take less time in getting situated with your regalia before dancing and "not as heavy".

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            • #36
              Actually my 'cheater' is heavier than any full shawl I've ever had. That's why it's more comfortable than any of my others. I like the heavier feel. It's easier for me to dance with a heavy shawl.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by MsLum91
                Actually my 'cheater' is heavier than any full shawl I've ever had. That's why it's more comfortable than any of my others. I like the heavier feel. It's easier for me to dance with a heavy shawl.
                id have to say i like the compactness of the cheater but mine extremely light which makes me work harder to get the fringe goin i think im gonna hafta add another layer or somethin to give it some weight:)

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                • #38
                  whether it's cheating or not to use a smaller sized shawl, who is the one to say!

                  let's see - most of the traditional way dresses were made say in the last ten years at least have changed dramatically - everything about pow wows and clothing changes they all go through change,
                  at one time no one used rhinestones - now look you see them everywhere is that cheating too?

                  what about the fringe? or the material dresses are made from now?
                  crowns you see alot more women and girls with crowns,excessive beadwork,

                  a lot of changes have gone on over the years, why not adapt the shawl?
                  Well will wonders never cease.....

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                  • #39
                    Lil Stinker, Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I pretty much have taken the ways of my husband and children. We live this everyday and it is okay. I do have strong feelings about the old ways.....sometimes it is a disadvantage but oh well -- my father in law was a great source for advise, as is my husband and our friends and family.

                    Although I am white - I have been adopted into two very loving indian families - one Kickapoo and one Choctaw. This summer I will be dressed in my husband's tribal regalia, something that I am looking forward to. I take these adoptions very seriously and do my best to be a good daughter, sister, auntie and grandma.

                    So if anyone has a problem with my posting my beliefs it's on them because everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I try to reflect what I was taught. But thanks again for the kind words.

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                    • #40
                      Dang am I the only one here that's old school? And what's up with that lady using table cloths for shawls? If it's so bad that you get skin rashes and all that then maybe you shouldn't dance?! It's my belief that a woman dancing tradish should do so in the same manner our grandmothers did. With grace and dignity, regardless if you use a cheater/half shawl or not.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by luvstraightdancrs
                        It's not just about competition. It's about the whole idea of a "cheater". It is just that. Not the way you shawl is supposed to be. About being hot - oh well, then you have to be hot. To me it's kinda like gourd dancing in shorts and a t-shirt. You are supposed to sacrifice a little for your ways -- so what if it's hot and sticky. Let's keep it real! Everyone is getting caught up in the "new old way". Just because a few do it doesn't make it alright. If you keep taking short cuts - you will loose your way.

                        Just my 2 cents.
                        I totally agree with this, I am a southern dancer. And more than that I am from texas, If you want heat and humidity this is the place for it. But I was always taught that you have to suffer for your ways. Like my uncle always says, "Everybody wants to be indian but nobody wants to suffer." I watch other young ladies use "cheater shawls" and the thought has crossed my mind but truthfully the fuller the shawl the easier it flows and better it looks. Just my opinion.
                        When your in the arena nothing matters but the step of your feet, the sway of your fringe and the beat of the drum. ~Peace love and fry bread.~

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                        • #42
                          Hey, as long as you know how to swing it!!!

                          ...but yeah....my shawl can't be too lite...or too heavy...
                          jus gotta know how to hold it the right way, swing it the right way, you know the deal
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Pettus
                            whether it's cheating or not to use a smaller sized shawl, who is the one to say!

                            let's see - most of the traditional way dresses were made say in the last ten years at least have changed dramatically - everything about pow wows and clothing changes they all go through change,
                            at one time no one used rhinestones - now look you see them everywhere is that cheating too?

                            what about the fringe? or the material dresses are made from now?
                            crowns you see alot more women and girls with crowns,excessive beadwork,

                            a lot of changes have gone on over the years, why not adapt the shawl?

                            Good thoughts.
                            I was waiting for someone to make the rhinestone parallel....too funny!:Thumbs
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                            • #44
                              For my personal use, i use regular size; i'm a big girl (often head and shoulders above my peers, wide and muscular), so anything thin looks out of place, and i prefer the way a heavier one moves.

                              As for the half size shawls, if it looks and waves right and you prefer it, then go on ahead:) your regalia is ultimately your creation and should look good on and to you!

                              (i did see the absolute cutest "cheater" shawl at the 2003 Univ. of TX powwow-- a very young (4ish?) cloth dancer had a shawl gauntlet sleeve so she wouldn't drop it or lose it :))
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by piperchick
                                (i did see the absolute cutest "cheater" shawl at the 2003 Univ. of TX powwow-- a very young (4ish?) cloth dancer had a shawl gauntlet sleeve so she wouldn't drop it or lose it :))
                                I was at that pow wow. And I know who you are talking abuot that little girl was adorable..end of story. Lol
                                When your in the arena nothing matters but the step of your feet, the sway of your fringe and the beat of the drum. ~Peace love and fry bread.~

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