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  • catsmeow
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    Several of the contest dances that I have been to in OK have asked the royalty to remove their crowns and sashes when contesting. Unless they were really secure, you might risk loosing it during those big dips!

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  • luvstraightdancrs
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    Wouldn't consider it while judging - doesn't matter if she is or was a princess or not. Doesn't have any bearing in my opinion would be considered part of her regalia just like fan, purse or shawl. When judging I look for dance ability. Don't care who they are - just ability to dance with poise, knowledge of song, IN STEP IS A MUST, and confidence. Glitz doesn't get it in my books, I was asked to judge your dancing ability.

    :)

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  • []FlyByNyte[]
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    I was taught that only women that had a princess title could wear a crown...or even a former princess...but now days i have seen some that never had a title and still wear a crown...

    Question???
    when judging...how should this be handled?????

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  • luvstraightdancrs
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    In Oklahoma and Texas most contestants know that the unspoken rule is no banners while contesting. As for most of the young ladies wearing crowns during contest - that's fine, just no banner. A crown becomes part of a young ladies regalia. My daughter has more than one, the first given when she was princess for a local organization, served also for a second group but has returned that one when her reighn ended. The first was her's to keep. Since that time we have made 2 more.

    She wears the crown during contest - but not always- has gotten to point of wearing drop feathers - not heavy or tight. She never wore a banner while contesting. Only during grand entry and remainder of program.

    Never heard of committee asking to remove crowns - only banners.

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  • Kiwehnzii
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    I've been to a few powwows where they ask the "princesses" not to wear any evidence of (for lack of a better word) royalty during the contest. I've asked why and been told that' "we don't want to influence the judges". This is in the north BTW.

    I've been to southern powwows were almost every contestant had one on.

    Shouldn't the people putting on the dance have some extra crowns on standby for those who don't have one?
    Just kidding!

    I'm just throwing this difference in just to keep the thread going.

    Good discussion ladies.

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  • southdances
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    I agree with danzcraz! although most southern dancer that wear crowns have held a title. about the size yes some are to big, i have one thats pretty large. Yes it is a honor. I do think a lot of women, and younger women have forgotten. Just something to think about!

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  • TaShunka Luta
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    Hey Buckskin Panyhose, Danzcraz took the words out of my mouth - I guess I didn't get on in time. But yeah, the crowns are from present or prior titles you may have held. I know in the Oklahoma area where there's so many powwows EVERY weekend in powwow season geez, all them got princesses so there's alot of crowns. I know up north they don't have near as many. I think it looks good though, adds a big piece of beadwork. I have been asked to bead crowns for other dancers that I know don't have titles so I guess some people don't know the princess deal, of course things change with time so someone just starting out might not know that the people that have them on are or were princesses, or held even state or national titles. Those Gathering of Nations crowns I think are about 12" high....aaayyye.

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  • Danzcraz
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    You got it now!!!! :)

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  • buckskin pantyhose
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    They really were royalty!

    Well thank you DanzCraz........I appreciate it!!!
    So i guess you could say it started out as an honor symbol for someone who earned it, that' pretty cool.

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  • Danzcraz
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    The crowns are from winning a princess contest. Once you won a title, you were entitled to wear these crowns, hence the fully matching outfits. It became part of the outfit of a female who had once wore a banner for an organization or nation. When the girl made a new outfit, since she had already won the right to wear a crown, her family had crowns made to match the new outfits.

    I still feel that only those who have won the right to wear them should. I don't think someone should just wear them cause they want too. Just my opinion. Pretty soon just anybody will carry the american flag into the area, cause they think it looks cool. Pretty soon will we just wear those war metals that we bought somewhere, just cause it is a symbol of great honor? We need to take a look at how we are going these days.

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  • Okwataga
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    So you'll be princess big headdress to fit on the princess big head????!!!!
    cool avatar you change them like i change cars
    I forgot you are princess of the butt crack clan

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  • FancyStar
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    if this keeps up they'll end up looking like those huge crowns people wear at Mardi Gras!!!

    Do you think they'll have to enter their crowns as a separate contestant!?
    Myself I want ahuge crown!! HUGE! Iwant you to be able to see my crown from across the pow-wow and parking grounds.
    :JawDrop

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  • buckskin pantyhose
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    Thanks Tipis!
    Yea i must agree with Aurora49......they do seem to be getting bigger & bigger.....i can't image having something so huge on my head for an entire powwow.
    I've seen some BEEEEEEEAUTIFUL beaded crowns, large & small....when i was younger i always wanted one but of course my mom had to put me in line & say "Sorry, we don't wear those!" So i settled for the headband instead. :)

    ~Buckskinz

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  • tipis
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    I prefer the beaded smaller crown to the big beaded ones. And, I do not wear a silver one as they can hurt the head....or it does mine. These metal crowns do to not seem to bend or fit the bumps on the head and can heat up in the sun. They can get very hot.

    tips

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  • tipis
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    It use to be that only a girl who had won the crown as a Powwow Princes could wear one. Today, anything seems to go. Looks like the Northern Dancers have influenced the Southern Buckskinn ladies. If this keeps going on, you will not be able to tell Southern from Northern dancers.

    tipis

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  • wiconiwakan21
    question for southern dancers
    by wiconiwakan21
    I've got a question. At powwows, theres always the southern dancers that wear a crown whether it be with southern buckskin or southern cloth. my question to you ladies is what does the crown represent? it may seem silly but ive always wondered why southern traditional wear crowns. also what is the reason...
    07-12-2005, 10:18 PM
  • eucheefolife
    Do u have to b a princess to wear a beaded crown
    by eucheefolife
    ok umm i was just wondering do u have to b a princess (or been a princess) to wear a beaded crown ???? thanks


    peace love and frybread grease
    01-19-2004, 01:45 AM
  • BearGS
    Crowns??? Who really has the right to wear them all the time?
    by BearGS
    I have heard so many different things in our travels around the country.
    Southern style buckskin and cloth, this is what I was told and I am not stating this is what I know for fact.

    #1 They are from the cheif clan and they can wear the crowns...
    #2 They were princess and
    ...
    12-23-2004, 10:19 AM
  • dancingbeauty
    Crowns
    by dancingbeauty
    I was just wondering is it appropriate to wear a crown even though u were never crowned princess. I have a friend who is a traditional dancer that wears one, but was never crowned princess of anything. And also what is the correct height for one they seem to be getting taller and taller each year.
    05-15-2004, 11:58 PM
  • peekaboo
    Crowns!crowns! And More Crowns!
    by peekaboo
    IS IT ME OR DOES IT SEEM LIKE ALMOST EVERY WOMAN SOUTHERN DANCER HAVE A CROWN NOW A DAYS?

    I REMEMBER SEEING CROWNS ONCE IN A WHILE ON SOUTHERN DANCERS BUT IT SEEMS ALL THE WOMEN AND EVEN THE LITTLEST GIRLS HAVE THESE BIG ELABORATE CROWNS?

    I'M NOT KNOCKING THEM JUST DON'T...
    05-13-2003, 09:46 PM

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