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  • nativesweetie77
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    I am not a jingle dancer but the way I was taught is that there are certain things that you must do before being granted permission to jingle. I have a lot of respect for tradition and feel that you should follow it as much as possible. I have seen Jingle dresses for sell at pow wows and personally I do not feel that you have the right to dance jingle just because you have a jingle dress. Also I was taught that jingle dancers should take part in making their own regalia because of the signifigance of it.

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  • azshinob
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    doin other styles

    It is true that northern tradish was begun by the omaha.The dance and songs where given away by them to others who in turn gave or sold the same to others.Those who received put their own spin on them (clothing,beadwork) but kept them true to the original as possible.This is how the ojibs received the northern tradish style.Those that take other styles should enter it with the utmost respect, that the originators deserve. IE give aways, sacrifice if need be.

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  • crazywolf
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    Hey,

    I dont feel anything one way or another if my brothers and sisters want to dance a different style. I am not going to say anything about who has the right to dance what style. I dance fancy, which came from the Ponca, and was adopted by all the other tribes in time. I was never given permission by anyone to dance fancy, didnt think I had to.

    Its like I said, its pow wow dancing, and a lot of stuff goes. I dont feel that these ladies performing the dance at a pow wow are disrespecting jingle dress dancing, just as long as they are not saying that they are actually doing the medicine. Those ladies have to be given the right to do that thing.

    Derek

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  • danczherbest
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    Question: Understanding that the jingle dress belongs to the Ojibs, how do u feel when your own tribal dancers, dance a category that belongs to another tribe? Not to cause arguments here, but wonder if you ask yourself how many dancers really were given the right to dance their category that belongs to another tribe?, i.e. Traditional bustle dance, this was a dance of the Omaha, given to the Sioux. Does, Ojibs,Navajos, Crees, etc.... go about the right way to dance that category? I see your concern for your jingle dress category.

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  • crazywolf
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    Boozhoo niji,

    (Originally posted by Who Me)

    Boozhoo and Megwitch Ojibwaysweetie,

    I think the purpose of powwows.com is to promote healthy exchange and dialogue for the purpose of learning "we have to remember our past and why we do things, before we move too far forward."

    I fear for all tribal ways when they are intentionally or unintentionally MISINTERPRETED by tribes who are adopting their dances.

    Two good examples of this misinterpretation of the jingle dance are the emcee who tells everybody that this dance "from a AZ point of view that the dress is used for strictly competition" and another emcee who's public misinterpretation stated, "that the dress was made for the native women to mock those flapper girls,....."

    To me this is doing just what was done to Indian people - pure "EXPLOITATION!" When you take somebody elses tradition and make it your own and interpret it the way you see fit.

    This IS exploitation.


    crazywolf,

    I would like to present a question, to the Anishinabe Kwe's:

    "Can someone other than Anishinabe Kwe's, purchase or make their own dress, adopt your dance and use it to heal?"


    Who me I cannot say thankyou enough for these wise words, Miigwetch!

    I will try to answer this question, I am by no means an expert in Ojibwe tradition (I have a lot to learn!) but I will try to use my common sense in this.

    If a person, not of Anishinaabe descent, wishes to dance jingle in a healing way, I feel then they need to go through all the steps that a Anishinaabe Ikwe would have to go through to do the same. I dont know what those steps are, but it would be the only right way. I feel like it would be inappropriate for her to buy the dress, but I think it would be ok if one was gifted to her. I am not sure but I guess it also depends on the situation. I am not sure if the girls have to make their own dresses, but it seems to make since if they sat down with an Elder and learned how to do all of these things side by side with them, and then the dress was gifted to them in the end. In the process I am sure stories would be told. I do know for a fact that its the stories that keep our people together.

    I was at this show last Tuesday, where things went really wierd. There was a young jingler there, and she was going to dance to this man who only knew Christian type songs to sing. I asked her if she would prefer dancing to a genuine jingle sidestep song, via CD player. She said she did not know how to side step. I told her that she cannot learn that if there is no one to play that kind of song. When she would hear the song, she would know what to do. I was going to go out and get my cd.

    In the meantime she started to dance to something that man was singing, and it was all like... umm fancy shawl or something. It looked really wierd. I decided to go get the cd. I was half dressed, out in a highschool parking lot, and looking through my collection till i found the right one. Whitefish Bay Jr. pow wow 2K. I put that in, got the shoop shoop going and she started dancing side step.

    She said that she had never done that before, and I said that its probably because there are no drums down here that know how to play that kind of song. I mean... all we have are southern drums, and this is a Northern Ojibwe song...

    The bad thing is, when the song was played for real, in front of the audience, she still did that fancy step after the MC announced a "genuine representation of the Jingle dance"

    I hope that guy loses my phone number, either that or I just need to get out of Florida. *sigh*

    Derek

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  • WhoMe
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    Originally posted by ojibwaysweetie
    My appreciation to WhoMe who always puts up very good discussions. LOL. He gets us going in the forums!
    Boozhoo and Megwitch Ojibwaysweetie,

    I think the purpose of powwows.com is to promote healthy exchange and dialogue for the purpose of learning "we have to remember our past and why we do things, before we move too far forward."

    I fear for all tribal ways when they are intentionally or unintentionally MISINTERPRETED by tribes who are adopting their dances.

    Two good examples of this misinterpretation of the jingle dance are the emcee who tells everybody that this dance "from a AZ point of view that the dress is used for strictly competition" and another emcee who's public misinterpretation stated, "that the dress was made for the native women to mock those flapper girls,....."

    To me this is doing just what was done to Indian people - pure "EXPLOITATION!" When you take somebody elses tradition and make it your own and interpret it the way you see fit.

    This IS exploitation.


    crazywolf,

    I would like to present a question, to the Anishinabe Kwe's:

    "Can someone other than Anishinabe Kwe's, purchase or make their own dress, adopt your dance and use it to heal?"

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  • southernx_hunnie08
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    my 2 cents

    well i half navajo and half ojibwe and i dance jingle...i think that it should be ok to let girls from other tribes dance jingle and everything like that but if there is a competion old school then the girls should have at least some clue of what they are doing...i mean i go to a pow wow every year in new mexico and they usually have a old style jingle and a lto of the girls have contemp stlye outfits and they had my mom explain tha dress cuase the mc said that the dressed was made for the native women to mock those flapper girls,.....

    and alot of the girls that were out there suppose to being doing old style were dancing like fancy girls....i mean i don't really know but they should just now the real meaning of the dress before they put it on.....
    i mean i had to go through cerimonies befor i could dance jingle....




    and that is just my 2 cents on tha situation....

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  • Ruby 2sday
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    Originally posted by ojibwaysweetie

    Hey Ruby apije miigwetch for your mention of me. Giigawabamin minawa, nagaaj.

    Mii-awe

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  • Jenekehane
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    dont be a wannabe

    wow!, I never knew it was such a big issue. I have always wanted to jingle dance, but I never felt comfortable about having someone teach me bc I am not Aneshnabe. but for those who jingle and are not Ogibway, who are really good, I think they are beautiful besides what anyone says. I dont understand why we are segregating ourselves from each other. I think we should all just go after all those damn hobbiests!

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  • azshinob
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    Sweetie, & CW make good points about the wearing and use of the dress. I've seen a good solution to the situation on another thread, 2 dresses one for ceremonies the other for pow wows. Those that want/feel to dance in the jingle style would be able to do so. As long as the songs used at pow wows aren't ceremonial.

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  • ajidamoo
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    My opinion

    I see it like this.......
    You do not have a right, because originally it was intended for sacred ceremonies and only certain people are allowed to dance in that dress. There is a meaning behind it. At a powwow it's different, you're not there to heal anyone. As long as you dance with respect in mind and don't confuse powwow with ceremonial reasons, I think it's okay. It's hard to say for sure. That is being general about it though.

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  • Sheila
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    <<<Around 4 years ago I asked her to jingle formy dad, who had a pretty bad stroke........I found out very quickly what I had to do to get a that special, I went to every length that I had to and quickly.>>>


    Can a person jingle for their own healing, not necessarily medical healing- but healing from all mess that may be going on in their personal life? I've been wanting to jingle for a very long time, I'm 50 years and thought I was too old, but have since been told that I'm not too old. Anyway... I've made an outfit, but I'm not quite ready to come out yet. When I'm alone at home, I'll put on CD with jingle dance songs and jingle in my living room. I always feel so good afterward. My tears are gone and the world looks bright again. I don't know if this is the jingle dress or the endorphines from the exercise.
    Does the jingle dress ever heal the dancer?
    Last edited by Sheila; 01-15-2006, 10:14 PM.

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  • Joe's Dad
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    Originally posted by ojibwaysweetie
    Ahow, chi boozhoo Anishnabek

    Its been a long time since i've been to powwows and I always come to our Jingle Dress forum when I'm here. This is interesting.

    My appreciation to WhoMe who always puts up very good discussions. LOL. He gets us going in the forums!

    Back to the topic. Every woman who dances with our Jingle Dress is beautiful in their own way. I would like to believe that every one of those dancers respect the dress in their own way also. However, being Anishnabe Ikwe we truly understand there are certain things we MUST do before putting our dress on. In some cases, some of us are instructed to fast, but we always have a feast and prayer (to put it quite generally). Because someone buys a dress from wherever does not give that person the REAL right to dance with it. Although that person may dance to their heart's content, there is still that most important aspect that is missing. That spiritual side of our Dress that we believe has got to be done before wearing it. It then, is just a dress without the true spirit of healing. A dress that is misinterpreted. I am sorry, but some jinglers may as well put on a shawl while dancing :|. Don't get me wrong, I (and I am sure I can speak for my Anishnabe sisters as well) am proud of every one who wears our dress for the simple fact that I know we are the true owners but at the same time it leaves me a little sad because many dresses lack that true healing spirit, the reason why it was given to us in the first place. :|

    Hey Ruby apije miigwetch for your mention of me. Giigawabamin minawa, nagaaj.

    Mii-awe
    I would never think of dancing in a jingle dress.lol

    I just want to say it's posts like this one that make my heart feel good.

    Good words, ojibwaysweetie.

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  • ojibwaysweetie
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    Ahow, chi boozhoo Anishnabek

    Its been a long time since i've been to powwows and I always come to our Jingle Dress forum when I'm here. This is interesting.

    My appreciation to WhoMe who always puts up very good discussions. LOL. He gets us going in the forums!

    Back to the topic. Every woman who dances with our Jingle Dress is beautiful in their own way. I would like to believe that every one of those dancers respect the dress in their own way also. However, being Anishnabe Ikwe we truly understand there are certain things we MUST do before putting our dress on. In some cases, some of us are instructed to fast, but we always have a feast and prayer (to put it quite generally). Because someone buys a dress from wherever does not give that person the REAL right to dance with it. Although that person may dance to their heart's content, there is still that most important aspect that is missing. That spiritual side of our Dress that we believe has got to be done before wearing it. It then, is just a dress without the true spirit of healing. A dress that is misinterpreted. I am sorry, but some jinglers may as well put on a shawl while dancing :|. Don't get me wrong, I (and I am sure I can speak for my Anishnabe sisters as well) am proud of every one who wears our dress for the simple fact that I know we are the true owners but at the same time it leaves me a little sad because many dresses lack that true healing spirit, the reason why it was given to us in the first place. :|

    Hey Ruby apije miigwetch for your mention of me. Giigawabamin minawa, nagaaj.

    Mii-awe

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