Need Costume Prices and Ideas

[Migiziwomen]

okay i have one more thing to say, but only because i have been given information that seems to point in the direction that there may be some crow on my face. my friend has emailed me back and i will put his response here. it must be that the souix that i know including him do not use the word costume around shinobs because they know it offends.

first is what i sent him in my mail:
just wanting to pick your brain....do you know this to be true?


most of the elder people call these pow wow outfits (all styles) a costume. It isn't meant as any disrespect, it is just the common terminology used. The sioux word for these outfits is Lakota Wokoyake which literally translates into "Lakota items you tie on" and this is most often transferred into costume.





school me on the truth please.


here is what he sent back:
I don’t know…growing up in south Dakota I always heard and used the word “costume”. Kinda just what we called it. It wasn’t until recently that I’ve heard it called “regalia” or “outfit”…I think the latter two are kinda ridiculous and you can still hear me call it a “costume”. Every now and then I’ll say “uniform” just to be ornery. Our people can’t even agree on the proper way to pray, so I would say that if people give me a hard time, they can kiss my arse. But…. My issue is calling it a “pow-wow” in the first place. I mean how archaic!? Makes our people seem primitive or something. And then I don’t really like the whole culture around the “pow-wow”, I can see its historical value but people have manipulated everything so much now that its totally lost its intrinsic value. People not using family designs, people dancing styles that aren’t from their tribe, women wearing feathers when they aren’t supposed to, singers that drink, dancers that drink etc. etc. etc. BUT….i’ve also heard people say that its one of those words that we have come to “own”. Much like women have with “B**ch” or black people with the “n-word”.



so there i have it from the mouth of a souix lol. i still feel the same way though. call your regalia a costume all you want but do nto call our Jingle Dress a costume if for no other reason then to respect what you think is so beautiful that you want to dance in it.

[Migiziwomen]

yah i know what you mean, my daughters fmaliy is from Rosebud, not that i know them all that well, but I do know many Lakota and Dakota, never heard anyone call thier regalia a costume. I have a friend from Pine Ridge works here with me at Division Of Indian Work, he speaks fluent thought i would ask him. although like i said, i do not know but an quater of what i could know out there but still stand on the fact that if you want info you go to the source. i am not trying to rip on this girl but well whatever now she knows right? like i said there is lots i do not know, but that just is so know you know i mean let me grab my costume for powwow could you imagine? alright alright that is enough from me.

Yea MIgiziwomen .. i'm with you on this one .. and .. not that it matters ..but i really don't buy that "costume" comes from the Sioux elders out thar in SD, I know lots of Traditional Elders in SD and I never once heard them say Costume/s.

and again .... If you don't know about something, you should really go to the source or close as possible .... this is why we are seeing young ladies out here with cut out jingle dresses ... floresant / neon booty huggin jingle dresses .... etc ...etc ... because people don't take the time or effort to learn about the dress and the meaning of it and also the dance.

just my 2 cents!

laterz .... geegz

[ABENEWA KWE]

jeeeeze

well i guess you cannot expect people to be respectful of you if you are not of them, so i will take what you say. it is just that it really did offend me. i think my advise to her is that maybe she should spend some time to find out about the history of this dress and its meaning, and her kids will dance better if they are educated on it, they will perhaps show more reverence. (sp) i am not that old and do not know that much but i have never heard anyone but white people call them costumes, now i know. does not mean i like it though lol

Yea MIgiziwomen .. i'm with you on this one .. and .. not that it matters ..but i really don't buy that "costume" comes from the Sioux elders out thar in SD, I know lots of Traditional Elders in SD and I never once heard them say Costume/s.

and again .... If you don't know about something, you should really go to the source or close as possible .... this is why we are seeing young ladies out here with cut out jingle dresses ... floresant / neon booty huggin jingle dresses .... etc ...etc ... because people don't take the time or effort to learn about the dress and the meaning of it and also the dance.

just my 2 cents!

laterz .... geegz

[Migiziwomen]

well i guess you cannot expect people to be respectful of you if you are not of them, so i will take what you say. it is just that it really did offend me. i think my advise to her is that maybe she should spend some time to find out about the history of this dress and its meaning, and her kids will dance better if they are educated on it, they will perhaps show more reverence. (sp) i am not that old and do not know that much but i have never heard anyone but white people call them costumes, now i know. does not mean i like it though lol

To come to SDSIOUXGIRL's defense, where she is from most of the elder people call these pow wow outfits (all styles) a costume. It isn't meant as any disrespect, it is just the common terminology used. The sioux word for these outfits is Lakota Wokoyake which literally translates into "Lakota items you tie on" and this is most often transferred into costume.

Like I said, no offense is meant, and I'm sure SDSIOUXGIRL meant no offense whatsoever when she asked her first question, its just what is used up in South Dakota by MANY of the old people.

[Singerdad]

To come to SDSIOUXGIRL's defense, where she is from most of the elder people call these pow wow outfits (all styles) a costume. It isn't meant as any disrespect, it is just the common terminology used. The sioux word for these outfits is Lakota Wokoyake which literally translates into "Lakota items you tie on" and this is most often transferred into costume.

Like I said, no offense is meant, and I'm sure SDSIOUXGIRL meant no offense whatsoever when she asked her first question, its just what is used up in South Dakota by MANY of the old people.

[Migiziwomen]

lol, you are so funny. who would have thunk it ...

us as alies, lol i love ya, finaly someone who can argua without getting hateful. hmmmmm, still hate the costume thing.

Migizi,


Here I is!

I am kinda gun shy if you know what I mean.

[WhoMe]

...where is WHOME when i need her? lol inside joke. well you know i can not stop you from making your girls dresses. this just really made me so sad.

Migizi,


Here I is!

I am kinda gun shy if you know what I mean.

[Migiziwomen]

what the f***

wow so not a shinob on here imagine that!!!!!

you know this is just wrong, although some good sites have been given out the origional question still pisses me off. do not blame the person who told you how to ask the question take your lumps. what you said was disrespectful to my culture and the dress. i hope that these girls will only be dancing comp.
where is WHOME when i need her? lol inside joke. well you know i can not stop you from making your girls dresses. this just really made me so sad.

[Creewoman05]

https://www.littlecrowtradingpost.com

[WocusWoman]

goto: www.nativeamericandanceoutfits.bizhosting.com

Better yet, since they are young and still growing fast; make them an apron, with jingles on it, and just change out their under-dresses as needed.

[musicedu77]

yay it isnt costume its regalia...but what is your daughters purpose for going into jingle i mean do you want them to compete or non-competitive? if its competitive if you cant sew the best bet is littlecrow trading post...you can find them on the net....but in general it (cost) depends on how much your going to put into the dress...ex: if your going to add applique, fringe,sequins and how much material is being used not to mention labor work
a basic jingle dress implies fabric, pattern(jngle) , jingles , bias tape and or ribbon, seam tape ( i use that stuff the iron on kind for all my seems) and zipper....
fabric is usually cotton poly (only kind i used) and theres other kind which im still looking into...
if your looking your girls to go into jingle non competitvely best bet is to go to some powwows in minn since your close by than ontario and ask elder jingle dancer there...shell help you and yar girls out

[ndnhottie79]

try www.culturaltouch.com great prices, and fast.

[SDSIOUXGIRL]

: So Sorry for saying costumes :
I meant regalia and dresses. My bad for the wrong words to use. I can thank the person, who told me how to ask the question (won't mention the name). Anyways, I danced when I was 3 yrs old, but because I got put in foster care, I was told to forget it, and sadly I did what I was told. Reasons being, I can't mention. To hurtful, to talk about. I would sure like any ideas. Thank you.

[native_flutterby]

ummmm costumes or regalia? or just the dresses?

[billyjoejimbob]

Costumes Imagine if I said that!