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  • Ruby 2sday
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    Originally posted by Kiwehnzii
    I agree with Jingle Belle. Sorry about the one liner answer. I know many Anishinaabe qua. They pretty much agree on what Jingle Belle sez.
    Yeah me too, I agree with her.

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  • eagleclan22
    Breath Inspector

  • eagleclan22
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    Ok heres the real story ladies...........

    The Jingle dress comes from Whitefish Bay Ontario, from a woman named Maggie White. There was no crop shortage, lol, Ojibways in Ontario and Manitoba do not have crops other then wildrice. Anyways dont mean to offend anyone. I am from Manitoba and all my pow-wowing I do in Manitoba and Ontario...... Which of course is Ojibway country. I am Anishinabe, and I also dance jingle. I have heard this story since I was a little wee kid, and most of the dancers I know as well here in Ojibway country all know this story about Maggie White from WhiteFishBay Ontario.

    As for the 365 days and 365 jingles, maybe its true I dont know but I dont know anyone who has exactly 365 jingles on their dresses....
    and for the number 7 being in rows..... well to us Ojibway people the number 7 stands for our 7 clans or 7 teachings.......... thats the first time I heard of 7 standing for 7 days in the week.

    Just thought Id share that with those of you who would like to hear. Have a great day :)

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  • waleli
    Junior Dancer

  • waleli
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    Like someone else said, there are so many different jingle dresses out there and some have lots of jingles and some have fewer. Number of rows of jingles on a dress is up to the dressmaker, I would say.

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  • nativewife
    Someone who's posted alot

  • nativewife
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    clarification

    :Thinking Thinking about it more... I realize that this story comes from the same MC. He MCs as quite a few powwows in the southern half of the lower pennisula. Since I go to almost all of the powwows in this area, that why I've heard this story so many times, and maybe why jingle_mama hasn't.

    Not all MCs tell the jingle dress origins at the powwows, but this one always does. (or his version of it, anyway)

    I know there are many variations of the correct history out there, but thanks to you guys, I will be researching it.

    Having this site available to us opens up a wealth of information and a variety of opinions to think about.

    I'm thankful for it. :Thumbs

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  • *Kwe_Zee*
    is actually posting!

  • *Kwe_Zee*
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    I don't think it's necessarily a "Michigan thing". I'm from MI and lived there my whole life, I'm also Ojibwe and a Jingle Dress dancer :D and I never heard that story about the crops, etc. in my whole life. I guess it just depends on what pow-wow you go to, we have our share of hobbyist pow-wows also

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  • Singing Otter
    Gotz ta be me!

  • Singing Otter
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    Hey Jinglebelle,

    No harm done! Most of the stories I've heard are ones of the S.E. and lower US. I talked to a few folks in MI too. :p This year if the Lord's willing and the creek don't rise, I'm heading to Wisconsin.

    In all honesty guys, I really appreciate you guys having respect for eachother. Sometimes it comes few and far between. Thanks. :)

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  • nativewife
    Someone who's posted alot

  • nativewife
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    guess the story evolves every time this particulary storyteller (he's also an Emcee) tells it. :Chatter

    thanks, you guys. you've inspired me to look into it more.

    Have a good weekend!!

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  • Czechy
    wrapped in ribbonwork!

  • Czechy
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    Carrie Densmore is the author of the book on Chippewa customs.
    I think she also wrote a large volume on their music as well.

    The early dresses that JingleBelle mentions look a bit different than the modern dresses we have today. The cones are smaller and narrower and there are fewer rows of them. You will also find these dresses among early photos of the eastern Dakota. I've also seen a circa 1900 photo of a Shoshone lady with a similar dress. Makes me wonder just how early the dress and dance was spread to other tribes.

    I learned about jingle dancing in Minnesota and Wisconsin and have to admit that I've never heard the version of the story nativewife has heard. Must just be a "Michigan thing"! :)

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  • Kiwehnzii
    Oldfart

  • Kiwehnzii
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    I agree with Jingle Belle. Sorry about the one liner answer. I know many Anishinaabe qua. They pretty much agree on what Jingle Belle sez.

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  • luvlumbee
    Junior Dancer

  • luvlumbee
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    how many rows of jingles

    Like I said you will hear different stories !!!!!!

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  • JingleBelle
    Jingle Dress Retiree

  • JingleBelle
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    Hi guys,

    This topic always slightly irritates me because the information is incorrect. This dance is an Ojibwe dance and if you ever get the chance, the Minnesota Historical Society has pictures of jingle dress dancers from the early 1900's it obvious from these pictures that there are not 7 rows and there are definitely not 365 jingles on each dress. There is also a picture on the Whitefish Bay Jingle Dress Songs tape that shows 3 women in Jingle dresses that was taken long ago. The 365 jingles idea (myth) has just been circulating for the last few years and the seven rows myth is even more recent. I hope you all understand that this dress has a true origin and is still used in a sacred way by the Ojibwe people in Minnesota and Manitoba where the dress originated. The Jingle Dress is also describes in a book that was written in the early 1900's by Carrie _____? who lived in the area and wrote about the Ojibwe. I'm sorry I can't remember her name but I think that "Ojibwe Customs" is the actual title of the book. I don't mean to offend anyone or hurt any feelings but I do believe that if you are going to dance jingle or any other style that you should respect the true origin and beliefs of that style. Don't just dress up in a dress and say that this is what my tribe believes so this is what I am going to do.

    In peace,

    JingleBelle

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  • nativewife
    Someone who's posted alot

  • nativewife
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    I will look into that, thanks luv.

    I wasn't disagreeing with you, just sharing the version that I keep hearing from MCs around here.

    I would like my daughter to know the most accurate story, tho, especially if she is to share that story with others.

    thanks.

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  • Singing Otter
    Gotz ta be me!

  • Singing Otter
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    Re: how many rows of jingles

    Originally posted by luvlumbee
    Only thing that really matters is that you as a jingle dress dancer should know this information regardless of how many cones and how many rows you have on your dress.
    :) ;) :Chatter

    Yup

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  • Singing Otter
    Gotz ta be me!

  • Singing Otter
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    Sorry I'm gettin in on this a little late. Been kinda busy around here.


    The one thing an elder told me, "You'll hear a lot of different stories depending on where you're from and who you're talking to". It's the truth... Out of all the stories I've heard, the main constants are the healing, the numbers, and the manner in which it was given.

    365 jingles (days)and/or 7 rows (direction/teachings)

    I think that your size matters when you go into designing your dress and placing your jingles. With a bigger, thicker, sister like myself :p I managed to have seven full rows.

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  • luvlumbee
    Junior Dancer

  • luvlumbee
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    how many rows of jingles

    Sorry !!! Never heard of that story. Maybe if you do some research you will find the the stories of the jingle dress dance are similar to the one I was describing. I have been a jingle dress dancer for a very long time and I received my information as I was growing up from a very highly respected elder and I am fairly confident of the information that I have provided. :(
    :) 365 cones for each day of the year and 7 rows for 7 days of the week. And yes, the amount varies depending on how you want your dress. Only thing that really matters is that you as a jingle dress dancer should know this information regardless of how many cones and how many rows you have on your dress.
    :) ;) :Chatter

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