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  • RDNKJ
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    Originally posted by Joe's Dad View Post
    Dude! You can find anything on the internet!!!

    Urban Dictionary: drito
    Yeah, I saw that too, guy! I'll never see Brian Boitano in the same way again!

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  • steelemagnolia63
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    look I see another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • RDNKJ
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    Originally posted by Mammaflora View Post
    Drito is one born and raised in circus (not to be confiused with gypsies...)
    You folks are gagio... (not from circus)
    Thanks, Mammaflora. How interesting! I've never met any "circus folk" before (as opposed to "carnies.") What kind of circus? The small, travelling kind? Is that what you're doing still?

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  • FireAndFlint
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    Originally posted by SuzzeQ4 View Post
    Whoa, there buddy, you telling me that you are all trying to use fire too!

    As for the rest of the post, well I guess you understand why we are so protective eh? Sure there are some people though if ya look hard enough.
    where and which culture? Just because she is in Spain, doesn't mean shes Spanish. And I assure you, tribal elders that still follow the traditional ways from before Roman's took over what is now Spain, followed by the Moors after that (Spain was Islamic for a significant amount of time before the Christians retook it). On top of that, Spain has a history of being fiercly Christian (Spanish Inquisition, if you're not familiar with that, think of how the Spanish treated the Aztecs, then replace the Aztecs with Spanish Citizens as well as other European minorities and non-Christians.

    Natives are lucky in the regard that their cultures are largely intact compared to traditional tribal cultures or European countries. You have had to deal with an outside influence that we had to deal with your thousands of years and ultimately completely succumbed to. Also realize that traditional cultures in Europe are intensely looked down up and are heavily subjugated. We have plants, animals, art, and skills that we used to use, but the culture that supported them are non-existent. We have no elders, we have no teachers, and our sacred sites are silent, because nobody knows any of their true meanings. Out songs and stories are gone. All we have is random references to what was once important.

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  • SuzzeQ4
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    Originally posted by FireAndFlint View Post
    Its akin to saying that a fire won't keep you warm unless you're NDN.
    Whoa, there buddy, you telling me that you are all trying to use fire too!

    As for the rest of the post, well I guess you understand why we are so protective eh? Sure there are some people though if ya look hard enough.

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  • FireAndFlint
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    there is so much communication break down going on in this thread on both sides, its ridiculous.
    I'm shocked to see people talk about intolerance of natives in the US, then turn around and bash someone from Europe in another thread.

    On the topic of sage, it seems to me that sage works the way it does because that is the way the creator made it. It has no bearing on the user, though it amplifies with certain ceremonies, etc. Its akin to saying that a fire won't keep you warm unless you're NDN.
    The creator definatly did put plants for the same purpose in europe however. So you would do well to look into that also, but first I would like to explain something, from the perspective of a Welsh/Irish person.

    I know this will be shocking to some, but there is no European society.
    Just like there is no NDN society.
    There all different ways and tribes and countries. And I think someone mentioned that the poster should seek out people teaching the old ways, but how exactly do you do that in a continent the size of the US that has a long history of entirely wiping out all tribal groups hundreds of years ago?
    We had tribes, then Rome systematically wiped each and every one out, or changed it entirely. Our bloodlines are also so skewed, how do you honour all of them? I come from a Welsh (fathers side) and Irish (mother side) family, but even we have German, Swedish, English, and reportedly Aboriginal Australian (we have several decidedly aboriginal traits, along with having lived in Australia since 1864 so it is entirely likely.)

    If you want to find the old ways of doing things, where do you start in a European country? Do you go to the PaleoLithic? The Neolithic? Pre Roman Germanic, Celtic, Frankish, Slavic, Saxon, Norman, Russian perhaps? Or do you follow Roman religion, beliefs, and culture?? And if you want that route, do you want Pagan or Christian beliefs? And if you think new age stuff is bad HERE try in Europe where "druids" have entirely hijacked our pagan beliefs and taken them in the most horrid way possible.

    Atleast in my ancestry, we used to have sacred sites, ceremonies, and animals who we revered, but the animals are all gone (except for some deer), we had no written language so all our stories or beliefs are gone. The Romans worked VERY hard to make sure we became Roman, and if we didn't then too bad.

    Today, the Welsh still hate outsiders. If you are welsh but don't speak Gaelic, its even worse.
    In Ireland, my homeland is split in two by religion and has been for hundreds of years.

    My point being, asking the poster to "seek out people who know the old ways", whish people are you refuring to? Which way? And quite honestly, we have no ways. We are so throughly christianized and removed from our ancestral paths that we don't know which way is up.

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  • Mammaflora
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    Drito is one born and raised in circus (not to be confiused with gypsies...)
    You folks are gagio... (not from circus)

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  • Joe's Dad
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    Originally posted by RDNKJ View Post
    What is a "drito?"

    Dude! You can find anything on the internet!!!

    Urban Dictionary: drito

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  • RDNKJ
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    Originally posted by Mammaflora View Post
    I have been asked enough questions that I could write a book and call it How does anyone get to be a “drito”..
    What is a "drito?"

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  • RDNKJ
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    Originally posted by steelemagnolia63 View Post
    TK, I have to meet my great aunt and my grandmother at the country club for brunch anytime I am at home and that means complete with the silk dress, the pearls, matching shoes and purse, and if those two old dear belles still had their way gloves and a hat.... they are appalled that I didn't join the DAR, the Juniour league, a couple of southern blue blood clubs and all that other hoopla that my white hertiage would gain me admission to.
    You have a far more "illustrious" bloodline that I do, but still.....I always loved brunch at "the Club." Not all that big on Mimosas, I'll take my champagne straight.

    I don't think I could ever bring myself to actually belong to a club, but I'd never turn down brunch at one!

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  • RDNKJ
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    Originally posted by steelemagnolia63 View Post
    I never let off my steam that is my problem... I was raised in the south where from birth we are taught to be nice and polite to our elders, stangers, and pretty much everyone that a southern lady encounters.
    Or a southern Gentleman. I have a friend who's from up north, and he blew a gasket with me one day. I forget what the conversation was about but I said something to him and I got a tirade about: G-d d-t! Why can't you people (southerners) ever just say what you mean?! You all are so passive-aggressive! Just get to the point and say what you want!

    My attitude was how come you people (northerners) are always so f----g rude about every little thing? Can't you ever be nice?

    But of course, being a southern boy, I am way too polite to ever actually say such a thing.

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  • Mammaflora
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    Originally posted by steelemagnolia63 View Post
    Ok who here wants to learn to juggle???? Do you think that we could make a living doing it????
    I can....

    @Josiah: thanks......

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  • SuzzeQ4
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    holay! What a lady....apparently I have been smudging the wrong way this whole time, not knowing that I should be calling out and using special charcole...damn us NDN's got a lot to learn eh?...
    I didn't know weather I was reading about smudging or science, metaphisics whatever....that was a good laugh thanks Josiah. Also it is eye opening.

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  • steelemagnolia63
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    I guess that pretty much takes care of this wannabe's question....get your shells, sage and feathers and you too can sumdge away your troubles.... someone call 911 I am laughing so hard that I can't breathe......

    not only does it tell you how to make em but it tells you how to use then too....

    I have never heard of a halloween smudging what tribe does that??

    PSSSTTTT how many tribes do you think that they combined to get this from????
    Last edited by steelemagnolia63; 05-17-2009, 09:04 AM. Reason: additional mean thought.... LMAO!!!

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  • Josiah
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    Dang why ask us!
    This woman has it written in step by step instructions straight from a NATIVE AMERICAN and reading over it I found that she must have been trained by a bonafide

    Smudging
    by Jane Alexander

    Smudging is wonderful. Truly. Try it and you’ll become a convert, I’m almost willing to bet. I love it because it’s the simplest yet most incredibly effective form of space clearing available. It takes just five minutes to learn the basics and you’re off. Obviously the more you do it, the more sophisticated you become, but it really is entry-level metaphysics, esoteric practice condensed into a few fool-proof actions. Most importantly it really works.

    My most powerful experience of smudging came when I visited shaman Leo Rutherford in London. I had moved out of the city quite a while before and had totally lost the "street savvy" sense you have when you live in a big city. Consequently I was feeling pretty nervous about stepping out into an unknown (and slightly rough) neighborhood on my own at night. Leo must have guessed my apprehension, because he said, "Hold on, Jane. Just need to give you a quick smudge before you go." I stood, in my coat and with bag in hand, in his hallway while he wafted smoke around me with a huge eagle’s feather. It felt like having an energy shower – tingles ran all over my body in waves. I breathed deeply and it was as if someone had fired up every one of my chakras. I gave Leo a hug and walked out, totally forgetting my fears. I walked through the dark streets feeling totally invincible. It was as if I had a cloak of power surrounding me.



    If you’re not familiar with it, smudging is the common name given to the Sacred Smoke Bowl Blessing, a powerful cleansing technique from the Native American tradition. Smudging calls on the spirits of sacred plants to drive away negative energies and put you back into a state of balance. It is the psychic equivalent of washing your hands before eating - and used as an essential preliminary to almost all Native American ceremonies.

    I use smudging to cleanse myself (particularly if I’ve had a lousy day or have had to deal with difficult or unpleasant people). I use it as a prelude to all kinds of spiritual and magical work (it’s like a kind of spiritual power shower). I use it to cleanse my home and office. I use it to mark the seasons and as part of other rituals. Basically I use it all over the place, at all kinds of time – it is totally adaptable and practical, a really user-friendly soulful tool.

    But how does smudging work? The answer lies in the sub-atomic world of subtle or spiritual energy. Homes and bodies are not just made of purely physical matter; they also vibrate with subtle, invisible energy (you might know it as qi or chi, prana, quwa etc). Cleansing a space or our bodies with techniques such as smudging clears away all the emotional and psychic "garbage" that may have gathered over years or even hundreds of years. It’s like spiritual spring-cleaning.

    These ideas are not new-fangled nor are they airy-fairy New Age waffle. Native American tradition dates back millennia and most traditional cultures, from the Zulus to the Maoris, from the Chinese to the Balinese, have age-old forms of cleansing and blessing ritual. Even the West retains relics of it, although we have long forgotten the true purpose behind many of our rituals and ceremonies. The incense wafting through a church or temple is cleansing the atmosphere just as surely as the medicine man’s bowl of sacred smoke, or smudge. The bells that ring out on Sunday morning were originally intended to purify the whole parish through sound and lead the community from everyday space into worship - just as the shaman’s drum can lead us on sacred journeys into the world of the spirits.

    OK, I’ve gone on about how wonderful it is for long enough. Let’s get smudging. These exercises come from The Smudging and Blessings Book, a simple DIY guide to get you started.




    BASIC SMUDGING FOR SELF-CLEARING

    There are many ways to use smudging. I suggest this as a simple way to get started. As you become more proficient, you may well find you want to use different words or actions. That’s fine – just be guided by your intuition. But always treat smudge with great respect.

    YOU WILL NEED: smudge stick, matches, a small ceramic or stone bowl, or a large shell (a saucer will do), a large feather.

    INSTRUCTIONS

    Light the end of your smudge stick and let it burn for a few minutes until the tip starts to smoulder. You may need to fan the flames for a while to get the smudge really smoking. Then extinguish the flame so the smudge stick smokes.
    Call on the spirits of the smudge to cleanse and protect you, saying: "Sacred Sage, drive away all negativity from my heart; take away everything unworthy and impure."
    First waft the smoke towards your heart. Hold the smudge stick away from you and use the feather to waft the smoke towards you. Then take the smudge smoke over your head, down your arms and down the front of your body. Imagine the smoke lifting away all the negative thoughts, emotions and energies that have attached themselves to you.
    Breathe in the smudge, visualizing the smoke purifying your body from the inside. (Note: be careful if you suffer from asthma or respiratory difficulties. Experiment cautiously).
    Now bring the smoke down the back of your body towards the ground. Visualise the last vestiges of negativity being taken back into the earth, away into the air.
    Repeat your smudging once again, this time calling on the spirit of Sweetgrass in this way: "Sacred Sweetgrass, bring me the positive energy I need to do this work. Help me to come into balance. Purify my soul." As you smudge, imagine yourself being surrounded by gentle, loving energy. Breathe in positivity, courage and love.
    NEW!



    USING SMUDGING FOR SPACE CLEARING

    Smudging not only cleanses people: it can also clear a room or area of any old or stagnant energy. All rooms need cleansing - just as much as they need physical cleaning. If your life feels stuck or things just aren’t going according to plan, you may just find that simple space clearing solves the problem. Clearing the space around you is also an important part of most rituals and ceremonies.

    YOU WILL NEED: smudge stick, bowl or shell, feather, matches.

    INSTRUCTIONS:

    To cleanse the space in which you are working, light your smudge stick as described above (Self-clearing) and smudge yourself and anyone with you.
    Walk around the room wafting smoke into each corner. Call on the spirit of Sage as in the Self-clearing to drive away all negativity from the room. Then repeat, asking the spirit of Sweetgrass to bring harmony and balance to the room.
    Come to the centre of the room and stand quietly for a few moments. Turn to the East of the room and fan smudge out into that direction four times, saying: "Spirit of the East, Great Spirit of Air, cleanse and inspire this space."
    Turn to the South and smudge four times, saying: "Spirit of the South, Great Spirit of Water, strengthen and bring peace to this space."
    Now turn to the West and smudge four times, saying: "Spirit of the West, Great Spirit of Fire, energize and protect this space."
    Turn to the North and smudge four times, saying: "Spirit of the North, Great Spirit of Earth, ground and cleanse this space."
    Return to your original position and look upwards, sending smudge up to the ceiling four times. Say: "Great Father Sky, guard this space from above."
    Now finally squat towards the floor and send smudge down to the floor four times, saying, "Great Mother Earth, nurture this space from below."
    Put down your smudge stick and stand quietly with your eyes shut. Visualize the great spirits you have summoned standing guard around your room. You could imagine them as the great archangels or the four animal spirit keepers of Native American tradition (Buffalo - North; Eagle - East; Coyote - South and Grizzly Bear - West.) Visualize the loving energy of the Mother and Father Spirits above and below you. Give thanks to all of them.
    Note: You should also smudge anything you will be using for your blessing - ie crystals, candles, flowers, stones etc.

    NEW!



    MAKING YOUR OWN SMUDGE STICKS

    Although smudge sticks are now readily available from shops specializing in New Age and Native American artefacts, you can easily make your own. Making your own smudge allows you to make a deeper connection with the spirits of the sacred plants used in smudge - and so can make your rituals and ceremonies even more meaningful. I think it’s a great idea to use plants which are local, plants you know and with which you have a connection. I tend to use sage, lavender and rosemary a lot – as they are herbs which grow around my house and which have powerful cleansing properties as well. They also smell gorgeous.

    YOU WILL NEED: A selection of your chosen herbs - see list below; colored cottons (embroidery threads work well); a little tobacco or cornmeal; candle and matches.

    INSTRUCTIONS:

    You really need to be able to pick your plants, or at least the mainstay of your smudge stick, fresh from the wild. It is unusual to find the length of herb needed from shops - and dried herbs will flare too easily. However you can combine fresh and dried herbs if necessary.
    If you are picking your herbs from the wild (or your garden) ideally you should gather them as they come into bloom during a waxing moon. Approach the plant with respect and ask its spirit for its permission to be used in your smudge. When you feel it is right, cut the plant with a sharp knife (you will need pieces around eight to twelve inches long). Only take what you need and give a pinch of cornmeal or tobacco with your thanks.
    Gather your materials together. Light the candle and quietly center yourself, asking the spirits of the plants you have gathered to help you make a powerful smudge stick.
    Take a sturdy stick as a base. Arrange the other stems around it. If you are using a combination of fresh and dried herbs, keep the dried, more fragile herbs on the inside.
    Take a piece of cotton or hide and tie it around the stick, starting at the bottom. If you want to add dried herbs which are powdered or crushed, you can add these on the inside of the smudge stick as you start to bind the bundle.
    Tie your smudge stick quite firmly - the cotton should reach about half way up the length of the stick.
    Now hang your smudge stick up by its bottom end (the tied end) somewhere warm and dry until the plants are almost dry - but not totally moisture-free.
    NEW!



    MAKING A SACRED SMUDGE BOWL

    Native American shamans do not always use smudge sticks: equally common is a loose smudge mixture, which is placed in a bowl or shell and lit. This is easy to make and especially useful if you do not have access to fresh herbs. It also has the advantage that, as you become more experienced and intuitive, you can alter your mixture to fit each individual ritual.

    YOU WILL NEED: your choice of dried herbs and resins; a shell or bowl; self-igniting charcoal blocks; candle and matches, feather, sea salt.

    INSTRUCTIONS:

    Sit down with all your ingredients. Light your candle and center yourself. Ask the spirits of the plants you are using to give you their help.
    Take a bowl or large shell - it needs to be able to withstand the heat of the burning charcoal. Ensure it is clean and cleansed by washing it in water to which you have added a little sea salt.
    A basic smudge mix would include a tablespoon of crumbled sage (either sagebrush or culinary sage) plus a teaspoon each of cedar bark and lavender. Mix the herbs together. See below for other ideas.
    Place a charcoal block in your container and light it. Wait until the charcoal stops sparking and has turned white-grey.
    Add a few pinches of your smudge mixture. It will readily smoke.
    Use your smudge bowl in exactly the same way as you would your smudge stick - hold up the bowl and use a feather to direct smoke towards you, someone else or out into the area in which you are working.
    You will need to add more smudge from time to time.
    NEW!



    HALLOWEEN RITUAL

    As this is October, I thought it would be good to share a simple ritual for the festival of Halloween (October 31) – this celebration is so often misunderstood and mistrusted, it’s nice to have a chance to redress the balance. Basically it is the ancient pagan festival of the Dead and the Unknown. It’s a time to confront our fears, face our demons (figuratively speaking!) and prepare for the dark cycle of the year. So, it’s not surprising that it includes ghoulish and ghostly figures, witches and warlocks (our perennial childhood fears) – but it is most certainly not about black magic! In Native American tradition it is The Frost Time, a time to clear away the old and unnecessary. This quiet ceremony provides a balance to all the wild Trick or Treating!

    YOU WILL NEED: Smudge stick, bowl or shell, matches, feather; candle; paper and pen.

    INSTRUCTIONS:

    Light your candle - let this be the only light in the room.
    Smudge yourself and any others present.
    Sit quietly and think back over the last year. What mistakes did you make? What do you regret? Write down your thoughts.
    Now take another piece of paper and think about the year ahead. What are your fears? Now think of life in general: what makes you frightened and scared? Write down all your fears.
    Now call on Bear who can bestow strength and courage; and Buffalo who teaches acceptance of things we can’t change and letting go of things we don’t need. Ask these two great teachers to help you release your fears and accept those which cannot go away. If you work with angels or other spirit guardians, it’s fine to substitute these – or simply pray to your God.
    Feel the gentle strength and love of these spirit guardians around you. Offer some smudge to them in thanks.
    Now carefully commit your papers to the flames. Watch them go up in smoke and imagine your fears disappearing with them.
    It is traditional to leave your candle burning all night to guide the souls of the dead. But make sure it is safely in a bowl of water or sand and out of reach of children and animals.

    END THOUGHTS

    I hope this introduction to smudging helps you. Do take the time to just try this wonderful ritual. If nothing else, I think taking five minutes out of a hectic day to center oneself, breathe and just be, has to be therapeutic. If you want to find out more, I’d suggest you delve further into The Smudge Pack. My book The Illustrated Spirit of the Home gives instructions on basic space clearing (and smudging). I outline a shamanic weekend, using smudge, in The Weekend Healer. Denise Linn’s book, Space Clearing, is totally wonderful and highly recommended too.

    Read more of Jane Alexander’s work on her website: Jane Alexander - Web site entrance

    Copyright © 2002 Jane Alexander. All Rights Reserved.










    Jane Alexander is a UK-based writer on natural health, holistic living and contemporary spirituality. She has written sixteen books on holistic (and soulful) living, including the bestselling Spirit of the Home (Thorsons), The Energy Secret (Element) and The Five Minute Healer (Simon & Schuster). Her website, Jane Alexander - Web site entrance is full of tips for living soulfully.
    Last edited by Josiah; 05-17-2009, 08:53 AM.

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