re-enacting...right or wrong?????

[jbstuebner]

re-enacting

You do not have to dress as a Warrior to show other white people. Make your outfit display it using a white pvc pipe manimaniquin with no head just a stick figure with a pedistal on top for a head dress. Wear and make something less contriversial. I am 1/16 blackfoot but my uncle on my fathers side has no indian relatives . He is 65 and has made native crafts for 501 years. He never dresses in the Warriar gear although he does display it and explain it.

[jbstuebner]

Teaching other people

If we are to truely teach others then shouldnt we teach them respect for what the Native American has went through. Display it and teach that out of respect you do not wish to wear it in public.

Sorry for sticking my nose in.

J

[Rides the Wind]

ok, i plan to go to most of the forts in true west texas, fort davis, fort stockton, fort concho, fort leaton, and possibly some of the schools in this same area. i plan to go with our local fort re-enactors, none of which portray plains indians. they only represent the soldiers and the soldier's wives/laundresses. i was thinking of wearing the kit fox society regalia, or crazy dog, but i'm certain either of these weren't comanche, and i haven't found anything yet on comanche warrior societies. this information would be good to know as well.

Maruawe Pimaroo Taibo,{Welcome or Hello,Cowboy}
We Comanche have the Little Ponies,War Scouts,CIVA and the Tu Wii.The first three are modern warrior soceitys the Tu Wiis or Black Crows are an old time society.All Comanche males were warriors,including the "contraries".Even our women were feirce fighters when cornered.DO NOT imitate these....they are the pride of our people...I am from a Tu Wii family.
We used a 4 pole base as opposed to the three pole base used by others.The door was a slit about 4 feet up and going to the ground as oppossed to the round door on most tipis.
I live in Texas and have an authentic Numu Kahni {Comanche tipi}for you to see and enjoy and will give you many pointers.
Right now my families namesake is being painted on it.I am willing to share knowledge,but really dont understand what a white person can teach another white about us except the same old crap.

As far as regalia goes,get a mannekin and display an everyday Comanche mans outfit. DO NOT use society regalia unless invited to do so.And you will only be asked to do so if you are to become a society member and you guessed it that is a "Comanche thang"



Hope I helped a little

[cool_cowboy_05]

thanx....

i would like to thank all of you for this help and the information I have gained means alot. once again, i did not mean to ruin any societies' name or hurt a natives feelings, this was simply a question or "poll" I put out for this very reason, to find out what would happen before I actually made anything. thank you once again for the all the help. Rides the Wind, I would definitely like to meet you and see your Numu kahni, but here, you would not believe how little the "other white" people know nothing about you and your family's culture, and few will travel this far out of their way to teach them. Heck, most good teachers won't even come out this far to teach. thanx once again......

[cool_cowboy_05]

thanx....

i would like to thank all of you for this help and the information I have gained means alot. once again, i did not mean to ruin any societies' name or hurt a natives feelings. This was simply a question or "poll" I put out for this very reason, to find out what would happen before I actually made anything. thank you once again for the all the help. Rides the Wind, I would definitely like to meet you and see your Numu kahni, but here, you would not believe how little the "other white" people know nothing about you and your family's culture, and few will travel this far out of their way to teach them. I know of few only one native, Mescalero Apache Ray Olachia, a white Neal Stilley and in the past we have had Comanche reenactors who had awesome gear, dances, and reenactions at our living history days here in Fort Stockton. thanx once again......

[Leaping Duck]

Hi Cowboy. I too am a born white man of settler stock of west TX. According to written family history there were small run ins with natives around the Abilene area. I can't change history but I will not disrespect native culture in any way. But what is disrespectful?? There is so much to be learned by all people and I would hope that folks today would be able to come together in a spirit of respect and reconciliation. I would never seek to wear sacred clothes or items of a tribe that I have no relation. BUT If I choose to wear feathers in my long hair; I do it for me. If I sleep in a rock shelter and cook on rocks; I do it for me. When I harvest game and pray for the dead animal spirit I do it for the right reasons. I live my life in a way that your ancestors would be proud and if more europeans thought that way, we would not have the problems that we do today. I see that you are young, Cowboy and I have good hopes that the path will be shown to you through true native wisdom. Keep searching!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hopping crow]

Im at a lose for words in this particular discussion.I think I need to talk to the elders b4 I reply in depth on this.

[Historian]

You might want to do some research first.

Cowboy,
While I admire your desire to do the right thing, it sounds as though you have a bit more to learn before you would be in a position to start educating folks about Comanche lodges, warrior dress and Comanche ways in general.

If you want to learn about Comanche Culture, may I suggest that you begin by contacting representatives within the Comanche Tribe such as:

Tribal Office - Comanche Tribe
P.O. Box 908
Lawton, OK 73502
Phone: (580)492-4988

May I also suggest you look into any number of books that would start to give you a beginning stage of understanding of Comanche Culture, with special emphasis on the books shown in bold:

A Guide to the Indian Tribes of Oklahoma, by Muriel Wright. University of Oklahoma Press, 1986.

American Indian Leaders, edited by R. David Edmunds. University of Nebraska, 1980.

Being Comanche, by Morris W. Foster. University of Arizona Press, 1991.

Border Comanches, translated by Marc Simmons. Stagecoach Press, 1967.

Comanche and Kiowa Captives in Oklahoma and Texas, by Hugh D. Corwin. Cooperative Publishing Co., 1959.

Comanche Barrier to Southern Plains Settlement, by Rupert N. Richardson. 1933.

Comanche Belief and Rituals (thesis), by Daniel J. Gelo. University of New Jersey, Rutgers, 1986.

Comanche Land, by J. Emmor Harston

Comanches in the New West, 1895-1908: Historical Photographs, text by Stanley Noyes with the assistance of Daniel J. Gelo, forward by Larry McMurtry. University of Texas at Austin, 1999.

Comanches: Lords of the South Plains, by Wallace and Hoebel. University of Oklahoma Press. 1986.

Issues In Penatuhkah Comanche Ethnohistory (thesis), by Linda Pelon. University of Texas at Arlington, 1993.

Kiowa, Apache and Comanche Military Societies, by William Meadow. University of Texas Press, 1999.

Los Comanches: The Horse People, by Stanley Noyes. University of New Mexico Press, 1993.

Numa-nu (The Comanche People): Fort Sill Indian School Experience, compiled by Delores Titchywy Sumner. 1981.

Quanah, The Serpent Eagle, by Paul Foreman. Northland Press, 1983.

Quanah Parker, Comanche Chief, by William T. Hagen. University of Oklahoma Press, 1993.

Quanah Parker and His People, by Bill Neeley

Sanapia: Comanche Medicine Woman, by David Jones. Waveland Press, 1972.

Texas Indian Papers, edited by Winfrey & Day (5 volume set). Texas State Historical Association, Austin TX, 1995.

The Story of Comanche Peaks, Landmark of Hood County (TX), by Vance Maloney.

The Comanche Code Talkers of World War II, by William C. Meadows. University of Texas Press, 2003.

The Comanche, by Willard H. Rollings.

The Comanche and His Literature (thesis), by Herwana Becker Barnard. University of Oklahoma, 1941.

The Comanches, A History: 1706-1875, by Thomas W. Kavanaugh. University of Nebraska Press, 1999.

The Last Comanche Chief: The Life and Times of Quanah Parker, by Bill Neeley. John Wiley and Sons, 1995.

United States/Comanche Relations: The Reservation Years, by W. T. Hagan. Yale University Press, 1976.

I hope this helps.
Historian

[Leaping Duck]

Historian , Do you have a list of such info for the Tonkawa tribe?

[Historian]

Tonkawa Resources

Historian , Do you have a list of such info for the Tonkawa tribe?

The best resource on the Tonkawa that I know of is a book called:
The Tonkawa People: A Tribal History from Earliest Times to 1893, by Deborah Newlin, The Museum Journal XXI, 1982.
This is the Journal of the West Texas Museum Association at Texas Tech University. Even though the book is out of print, you can probably find a used copy on Ebay.com or Amazon.com

Then there are other books I have heard about, but I don't know what information they can provide:
Tonkawa-They All Stay Together, by Marilee Helton.

The Conquest of the Karankawas and the Tonkawas, 1821-1859 (Elma Dill, Russell Spencer Series in the West and Southwest, No 20) by Kelly F. Himmel, Texas A&M University Press, 1999.

Tonkawa Prehistory: A Study in Method and Theory
by Rudolph C. Troike

A history of the Tonkawa Indians to 1867 by Jason Cannon Abbott

You may also want to consider contacting the following sources:

Tonkawa Historical Society
P.O. Box 366
Tonkawa, OK 74653

The Official Website of the Tonkawa Tribe of Oklahoma.

http://www.tonkawatribe.com/

Tribal Office
Tonkawa Tribe of Oklahoma
P.O. Box 70
Tonkawa Ok, 74653
Phone: (580)628-2561