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  • #31
    Rose

    I was never able to find one small enough do to what I wanted either so I have made some out of old ice pics and also ground down ones that were too fat until they were the size I wanted. It isn't hard to do at all if you have a dremel. you just put on the cutting wheel and use the side of it instead of the edge, then once you have it the shape you want take emory cloth in around 300 grit and 450 and smooth if back out real nice.

    If there is a leather working shop around you (or if you want to order from Tandy online) there is an awl that they sell that kinda flat and shaped like this <>. It does a pretty good job too.

    LMAO I do have a lot of patterns around here, but I usually make custom patterns. I have had a lot of folks come to me for mocs that have different sized feet. One fella had one foot that was a 12 1/2 and the other that was a 14. I will get the instruction up on how to make a pattern yourself in a the next few days. I has been pretty hectic around here lately.

    Oh yeah I use what I call a 'pusher' for getting a needle through tuff hide. All it is a strip of medium weight rawhide about 5-6" long and about 1/2"-3/4" wide. I then attach a 12" long strip of 1/2" medical tape to it, wrap the taped rawhide around my finger snugly but not tight. Once I get to the end of the rawhide I just keep wrapping the tape around the thing until I use it all. This keeps it in the right shape and usually provides me 2 layers of rawhide between my finger and the butt end of the needle, and the medical tape keeps it from slipping. My favorite tape is the stuff the sell at Dollar General in those little plastic containers.
    PB49

    "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso

    "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift...that is why is it called the Present." Master Oogway - KungFu Panda


    My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

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    • #32
      off the subject line ... Black Bear I love your new Avatar I sat an watched it forever ...now thatssss sooooo cuteeeeeeeeee. AN I can tell which end is which ...lol
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      • #33
        MN
        Red meat time!!!:devil lol


        pwb49:
        what's emory cloth . is it like sand paper?

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        • #34
          um yep Moon that it would be ...just make sure you get the grain PWB said . Ewwwwwwwww red meat not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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          • #35
            that's all I use is glover needles and either a scrap of buckskin or those grippers I told you about. But i use size 3 or 5 glovers... (skin needles) . If the area is a bit tough, then I use that piece of scrap leather and a magazine, put the needle in as far as it will go and then push the needle against the magazine till it come out the other side..even just a little cause then I can push it the rest of the way through with the leather. Also if you tack your leather at the toe and on the sides and in the back , it makes sewing them up easier.
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            • #36
              Thanks Blackbear

              I'm off to walmart in search of grippers.

              I like your avatar too it is cute reminds me of jellystone.

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              • #37
                I have a question would it be better to use simulated sinew or real sinew .. I just got ahold of some for free , just wondering

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                • #38
                  Both work just fine but I find the fake stuff easier to work with.

                  Sorry all I haven't been able to really get rolling on this thread. I am finishing up a pair of fully beaded mocs (and have several roach orders that have to go out too) and was too far along on them to use them as an example for this thread. I deliver them this weekend and will be dive back into this thread late next week or early the week after.

                  Hang in there folks it is coming I promise!
                  PB49

                  "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso

                  "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift...that is why is it called the Present." Master Oogway - KungFu Panda


                  My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

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                  • #39
                    pwb49

                    take as long as you want . I understand that you are busy wth your buisness . do what you have to first then go to this stuff.
                    thanks for the suggestion I think I'll use simulated I have unough of it laying around .thanks

                    'i believe I can fly'
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                    • #40
                      How thin would you splice your simulated sinew? I can't even imagine it going thru without being super thin. But then, I've never used an awl before either.

                      Would D nymo work just as well? Just a thought.;)
                      ...it is what it is...

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                      • #41
                        We had trouble with latigo disintegrating after it got wet and the stitches breaking loose. Pig skin works better for soles and it lasts a really long time!

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                        • #42
                          Ok Now that you got the supplies you want together how do you make an accurate moc pattern?
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                          • #43
                            Gah, I came in late on this subject! Sorry.....

                            I've made mocs with both latigo and rawhide soles. I actually prefer the rawhide since I have bad luck ordering latigo leather. For some reason I seem to get the tough, dense latigo pieces which don't hold my stitches.

                            For soles, I get buffalo rawhide from a guy in Hot Springs, SD. About $12 a piece. Larry Belitz is his name. He has an online catalog of rawhide and bison products including deer braintan. Reasonable prices too. Can't remember the web address....but a search on bison products might unearth it for ya.

                            For the thinner awls, Crazy Crow sells them. You have to get the one with the antler handle. Not the scratch awl.

                            For thread to sew the soles on, I use a strong twisted thread that is used to string the heavy squash blossom necklaces on. I love this stuff but have no idea what its called or where to get more of it.

                            In sewing the soles on, you don't want to use knots as these irritate your feet and are often not very securely tied. Do this instead. In beginning a new thread, leave a 1" tail. Sew over the tail when you make your next few stitches. When ending a thread, just use your needle to tuck the tail back through the last few stitches. You may want to weave the tail back and forth once or twice for extra security. But I'm getting ahead of the game here..... bad girl!



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                            • #44
                              waiting patiently for this tutorial to continue.

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                              • #45
                                For all of you folks that are waiting patiently (and not so patiently) for this tutorial to continue and finish.....

                                Have you heard of the video produced by Full Circle Videos? They have a video on how to construct the Plains hard-sole mocs with a few variations. They cover material selection, pattern making, and construction of the actual shoes. It's a GREAT video and features some of the best moccasin makers in the country! Mike Kostelnik, who writes for Whispering Wind and has made upwards of 80 prs of mocs, appears on the video. I was able to make a well-fitting and good-looking pair of mocs with the help of this video.



                                For uppers, I have have good luck with a product that Crazy Crow Trading Post has carried in the past. It is a "German Tanned" buckskin. They have it in a natural and a white color. It's not quite as soft as brain-tanned, but for the difference in price, I can't see the added cost of brain-tanned. This stuff is really good.

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