Hard sole mocs tutorial

[C_Rock77]

THX PB.....

I agree with you on the vid. I can't point out any specifics about that video that I DON'T agree with. However, it will help you to make a wearable pair of mocs 1st time out of the barrell. Like most information, you pull the things you find helpful and leave the things you don't......

[powwowbum49]

Tukisha

My apology, I have been really busy and haven't started on the pair of mocs I was going to make and take pics of for this thread. I should be back at it within the next few weeks.

C_Rock

Nice work! That video is a very good instructional aid. I do not agree with everything they tell folks to do in it, but all in all I would recommend it to folks, just as I would tell folks with average dawgs that Crazy Crows patterns can work well too. Though neither are perfect, but for a first time mocs maker any help is better than none.

[C_Rock77]

For all of you folks that are waiting patiently (and not so patiently) for this tutorial to continue and finish.....

Have you heard of the video produced by Full Circle Videos? They have a video on how to construct the Plains hard-sole mocs with a few variations. They cover material selection, pattern making, and construction of the actual shoes. It's a GREAT video and features some of the best moccasin makers in the country! Mike Kostelnik, who writes for Whispering Wind and has made upwards of 80 prs of mocs, appears on the video. I was able to make a well-fitting and good-looking pair of mocs with the help of this video.



For uppers, I have have good luck with a product that Crazy Crow Trading Post has carried in the past. It is a "German Tanned" buckskin. They have it in a natural and a white color. It's not quite as soft as brain-tanned, but for the difference in price, I can't see the added cost of brain-tanned. This stuff is really good.

[tukisha]

waiting patiently for this tutorial to continue.

[Czechy]

Gah, I came in late on this subject! Sorry.....

I've made mocs with both latigo and rawhide soles. I actually prefer the rawhide since I have bad luck ordering latigo leather. For some reason I seem to get the tough, dense latigo pieces which don't hold my stitches.

For soles, I get buffalo rawhide from a guy in Hot Springs, SD. About $12 a piece. Larry Belitz is his name. He has an online catalog of rawhide and bison products including deer braintan. Reasonable prices too. Can't remember the web address....but a search on bison products might unearth it for ya.

For the thinner awls, Crazy Crow sells them. You have to get the one with the antler handle. Not the scratch awl.

For thread to sew the soles on, I use a strong twisted thread that is used to string the heavy squash blossom necklaces on. I love this stuff but have no idea what its called or where to get more of it.

In sewing the soles on, you don't want to use knots as these irritate your feet and are often not very securely tied. Do this instead. In beginning a new thread, leave a 1" tail. Sew over the tail when you make your next few stitches. When ending a thread, just use your needle to tuck the tail back through the last few stitches. You may want to weave the tail back and forth once or twice for extra security. But I'm getting ahead of the game here..... bad girl!



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[FancyStar]

Ok Now that you got the supplies you want together how do you make an accurate moc pattern?

[Donna D]

We had trouble with latigo disintegrating after it got wet and the stitches breaking loose. Pig skin works better for soles and it lasts a really long time!

[wyo_rose]

How thin would you splice your simulated sinew? I can't even imagine it going thru without being super thin. But then, I've never used an awl before either.

Would D nymo work just as well? Just a thought.;)

[MAROONDANCER]

pwb49

take as long as you want . I understand that you are busy wth your buisness . do what you have to first then go to this stuff.
thanks for the suggestion I think I'll use simulated I have unough of it laying around .thanks

[powwowbum49]

Both work just fine but I find the fake stuff easier to work with.

Sorry all I haven't been able to really get rolling on this thread. I am finishing up a pair of fully beaded mocs (and have several roach orders that have to go out too) and was too far along on them to use them as an example for this thread. I deliver them this weekend and will be dive back into this thread late next week or early the week after.

Hang in there folks it is coming I promise!

[MAROONDANCER]

I have a question would it be better to use simulated sinew or real sinew .. I just got ahold of some for free , just wondering

[Yelloweyes]

Thanks Blackbear

I'm off to walmart in search of grippers.

I like your avatar too it is cute reminds me of jellystone.

[Blackbear]

that's all I use is glover needles and either a scrap of buckskin or those grippers I told you about. But i use size 3 or 5 glovers... (skin needles) . If the area is a bit tough, then I use that piece of scrap leather and a magazine, put the needle in as far as it will go and then push the needle against the magazine till it come out the other side..even just a little cause then I can push it the rest of the way through with the leather. Also if you tack your leather at the toe and on the sides and in the back , it makes sewing them up easier.

[WolfTears]

um yep Moon that it would be ...just make sure you get the grain PWB said . Ewwwwwwwww red meat not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MAROONDANCER]

MN
Red meat time!!!:devil lol


pwb49:
what's emory cloth . is it like sand paper?