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  • #46
    Great thread!

    DWA, thanks for being cool.

    When we start letting the government and popular opinion muzzle us our world will become like so many drones and we are doomed. Just as the Brits need to be reminded of their less than humanitarian treatment of the Irish, and the indigenous persons of all the colonies they 'raped' and transformed into mini-Fleet Streets; the U.S. and its people need to be reminded that we don't live in a glass house. Sure, the truth may be unpleasant, but it needs to be said. I don't have any problem with people voicing their opinions and feelings because the same privilege is allowed their dissenters. I may not like what someone says, or agree with it, but it is your right to believe what you believe. I admit to a prevalent human condition--wanting to convince others they are wrong and bring them to my side of the table when we differ. But, in the end, I respect you more for standing up for what you believe.

    And, DWA, I lived in the UK and Australia for several years. The first thing my new friends always brought up was actor John Wayne. Yes, unfortunately, to many overseas America is still the Cowboys vs. the Indians--the celluloid Indians, not the real living, breathing, feeling, thinking Indian. This is where Native media and performing arts play a big role in reversing this trend. I think it is important, wherever they perform that Native artists be viewed in a contemporary light. Q & A sessions with the audience are one way this can be accomplished. The first AIDT tape showing the troupe actually on tour which is shown on PBS is another excellent avenue to educate the non-NDN public. It is important in educating the non-NDN public that they see not the extreme element that tends to get the limelight--AIM, etc.--but YOU! It is exciting to see Native media improving. I wish the US had a network like Canada, I hope we see this become a reality in the next 5 to 10 years. We already have other ethnic networks on cable, but I am not aware of a nationally televised Native network or major programming. If I am wrong, I hope someone posts to the contrary.

    Thanks for listening...

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    • #47
      Theresa I'm white, and I think you need to ditch Kelly. She's poison. Find some real friends. You deserve better.

      Hay Riverwind, You sound like you got your sh*t together. Keep up the good work. Maybe you'll be the countries next Red Martin Luther King. Your people need a voice God knows the media doesn't help.
      Last edited by musespirit; 10-20-2001, 11:13 AM.
      If the horse is dead, dismount.

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      • #48
        here here muse!!!!

        IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO QUOTE THE ONE, THE ONLY, " WHOAA99"
        YOU HAD THE RIGHT IDEA KELLY, BUT WORDED IT WRONG!!!
        WHITES ARE NOT, AND WERE NOT JUST PREDOMINATE RACE! AS
        WHOAA99 CALLES IT AS THE DOMINATE SOCIETY(I NEED SP CHK IN A MEAN WAY!).
        I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON ADVICE THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY THE SAME PERSON I QUOTED!
        :Chatter
        kELLY & TEE, TAKE THE TIME TO GO BACK AND READ THIS THREAD, WITH ONE CHANGE HOW EVER! WHEN YOU READ YOUR REPLYS, PRETEND THAT WHAT YOU WROTE IS FROM ME, AND ALL THE RESPONCES ARE DIRRECTED AT ME ALSO. PLEASE, JUST TO SEE IF YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT IS BEING SAID REMAINS THE SAME!!!!!

        THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THICK SKIN;)
        smile with me today ! I'll see
        you in tomorrow, and we can laugh
        at all our yesterdays.......

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        • #49
          To me Thanksgiving is another day of mourning for the American Indian people. We must press the fact that this so called day of togetherness was the beginning of a holocaust of our people...a genocide of upon a loving and giving people. The pilgrims would not have survived this land without us and yet how did they repay us? They stick us on reservations of their choosing and try to make us forget our traditions. Even through it all, have we not been nice to our oppressors threw this 500 years of survival? It is time that the Indian people to stay strong and stop trying to just survive. It is time for us to start living through our cultural traditions and beliefs no matter what or who tries to stop us.

          It is also time for all of these shameful misrepresentation of our indian people to come to an end. It is time that we educate the American public and let them know that we still exist. Let them know that our people still see the mistreatment today only in a different if not worse way.

          It is time to show respect to all people and stop the oppression.

          Mitaku Oyasin
          Last edited by NDNRevolution; 10-20-2001, 02:35 PM.

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          • #50
            I have been sitting here reading the varied responses to my post. I really didnt expect it go as indepth as it has but it has shown us one thing that cannot be disputed. Our way of thiking is vastly different from non native peoples way of thinking. This has been the obstacle that has kept progress from becoming. Once we sit down and realize that we see things through different eyes and hear things through different ears then we can begin to tackle that barrier of misunderstanding.

            I was pretty much accused of being racist for writing a "biased" paper. On one hand the paper was one sided because it was looking at the events of American history through our eyes. The history we grew up with in school is not our history and it is not through our eyes. It is exactly what it is called. HISTORY- or better yet HIS-STORY.

            I dont hate white people or any other race, we are all part of that sacred hoop that the Giver of Breath made, we all have our downfalls, weaknesses, and strengths which make us no better then the other. It is our intentions and they way we live our lives that exemplify who we are as a people and how we heal from the past so our future generations can learn from our own mistakes.

            I appluad Kelly for stepping up to voice her opinion and to speak out to what she truly believes. I also applaud her for stepping down and apologizing in a way, although my intent was NOT to bring white people to their knees to shove the sins of their forefathers in their face. All I wanted to do was share a side of the story that is never heard adn more then likely never will be. I get together for thanksgiving and eat until I burts( no excuse needed for an ndn to eat, especially if its free:) and there are many things to be thankful for but those days of thanksgiving are every day, celebrated through prayer and then intensified through ceremony, whether its a sweat or through our annual thanksgiving "celebrations" such as Green Corn. Maybe it is a sad thing that some people only set aside one day out of the whole year to express thier thanks, thats not for me to judge though so Im not going to try to change that.

            To tell a lie is easier and to add onto those lies is ever easier then the first lie but to tell the truth once is harder then a creating web of lies. And many times that one truth can shatter the strongest of lies into nothing. We just want people to know that there is another side to the story, there is a deeper, darker side to the great American history which we are taught and by ignoring that we ignore the truth. So many people made mistakes, this country made mistakes, 376 treaties that we kept our word on and not once was the governments end of the deal ever kept on any of those. And through all of the abuse, lies, baording schools, assimilation programs, murders, rapes and more lies we lost almost everythign we had but there is one thing that noone can take from our people and that is our spirit. YOu can try to beat it out of us, choke it out of us, rape it out of us, abuse it out of us but it is the one thing that we have held onto this whole time and what has kept us going strong through all of these things.

            I want to see people heal, I want to see people know and experience the truth. I want people to understand that no matter how pigmentally challenged or how black as night you are we are all still one race of beings in spirit. Maybe it will take a whole hell of alot more then a few papers to get there. I dont know, but I do know that I will never give up on my own, whether they are Lakota, Cheyenne, Micmac, Inuit, etc etc This is my family, this has been my family for thousands of years adn this will be the family of my grandchildren. What we do now effects them and the choice we make now effects the lives they will live. SO if we can get the truth out there, if we can get the briefcase warriors fighting to get our land back in the courts and all the other people fighting to keep what is ours: our language, our traditions, our customs, our dances then we have begun to win the battle. One fight at a time, piece by piece we will claim victory in the end in the most honorable of ways...without a drop of blood being spilt.
            A Warrior without character is nothing more than a brute.

            I have lots of freinds, you just cant see them:)

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            • #51
              Riverwind....................Gialakasla for your amazing, conscious, thought provoking, writing that you have shared with us all. (I used to be T'sakis but somehow (?)i changed to Abump)

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              • #52
                jriverwind

                :NoNo
                I hope within you, is the courage to side step what ever
                may come from posting your paper for the world to view!!!
                I hope as time goes on, people will learn to lisiten, instead
                of deny anothers view.
                Thank you,
                Riverwind
                smile with me today ! I'll see
                you in tomorrow, and we can laugh
                at all our yesterdays.......

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