The battle of battle river.

[girly_girl]

you must really hate those guys, but thats alright !!!!!!!!!
its like they always say ("don't worry about it, its just talk,when they stop talking thats when you worry!!") HEY EVERYBODY IF THEY DIDN'T GET FIRST, WOULD ANYBODY CARE? A couple of battle river singers had a little fight in 96 in conn.they got 6th and nobody said nothing the fight even took place in the parking lot at the pow-wow,still nobody talked about it .Worry about yourselfs and if you smell alchohol maybe its YOU !!!!!! I quote again "DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT " later.........

[pequot49er]

what a load of crap! I was there too and those guys reeked of alcohol. Bulls**t!

[girly_girl]

[you were not there.the fight took place in the parking lot behind the pow-wow areana,and it was after grand entry,it lasted about 1 min. there was no drinking involved,the pow-wow committee did aproach the brothers and ask if the problem was resolved the brothers laugh and said yeah it was a argument that got out of control.(lol)they appologized and the contest went on.I KNOW this because these guys are my brothers and i was there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BEZHIG IKWE]

Where does tiny tot dancer come from? That been a long time ago...Wish I still a tiny tot dancer!

[BEZHIG IKWE]

It is really hard to live under the spotlight and talented drum groups and dancers are no exception. I find it hard to believe that Battle River made such a spectical of themselves and still managed to win the drum contest. The Kingbird Family has been a pow-wow family for generations and now are members on numerous big name drum groups. I remember The Kingbird Drum were "Uncle Royce", his brothers, his dad, and a couple cousins. It makes me proud to see how this family has grown and have songmakers, dancers, and singers.

Battle River won because of talent and love for singing. They are on the pow-wow trail during much of the year and do their best to live up to the committments they make.

[nighthawk]

At the powwow all eyes are watching and everybody talks after they leave the powwow so know that and act accordingly.

[southernstyle]

HI ALL! Just wanted to know how many of you took tha time to talk to any members of the Battle River drum from that weekend????? I talked to someone who was singing with them that weekend and they told me the entire story and I informed them of what was going on in this forum. Lot of shyt talking it seems anyways. But just for the record the situation seemed to be handled correctly and nothing was done wrong to cause a DQ of Battle River at Schemitzun. Take the tyme to hear both sides of the story!! I support these guys, they jam, and make people feel good when they sing. Same thing with Wayne and his guys. KEEP IT REAL.

[SweetNdnLady]

Man you guys are really talking alot of crap. I know I've argued with my family members inappropriately at times. Sometimes you can't help it. I'm not a "Mrs. Poole" and have to go nose around in business that doesn't concern you. Sure, you didn't like it but it happens. You guys remind me of a buncha old ladies really gossiping thinking you have tha' scoop. I don't know Battle River well, but I know that they have a bond and it shows in their singing. Mostly everybody who pow-wows drink. I've partied with alot of different drum groups besides Battle and I know a lot of dancers who win first place all drunk too. I smell a lot of dancers reekinng of booze but I'm not going to say they're drunks. Battle River still kicked it out as I heard, so people gotta stop fussing. It won't be too soon when everyone's bashing someone else. I go to a pow-wow to have fun and see friends and yeah! drink with them too and it's okay (my opinion). Well, I hope all you haters forgive them someday. This doesn't tarnish my view of them because they aren't the only ones who smokes down or parties. I've seen hundreds of dancers and drummers partying all night long too.

[pink_moccasins]

the battle of battleriver

'well gosh darn i am sorry to hear about the battleriver boys but i think it is their business on what happened and know one else should be judgemental, yeah they like to party, but other drum groups do to, it'[s not like their the only ones who do it, in my books they are still da bomb and i want them to move on and put this in da past alrighty battleriver u all hang in their okay i'm a numba one fan of u all so keep it real!!!!!:o

[man to man]

battle river sings some good straight songs. These songs make people dance
plus other drum groups can sing them. I really have no complaints because this issue is family buisness. All I know is this isn't right talkin about people and not telling them what they did wrong. We all shouldn't be hatin on each other "Peace"

[fafafancy]

All I can say is that I knew the Battle River Boys' dad and he was 100% against alcohol, it was against everything that he believed in. Yes, they are drunks and yes they can sing like no one else. They need to learn to act respectfully and stop embarassing their family and their tribe.

[KeetersCAT]

....ummmhey coyot...by the looks of the pucker on your jibs (AYE!)..you seem like you got in on some of that peqout pw money...hmmm...none the less..it still a FACT that not ALL the BEST OF THE BEST where invited out there to compete...then again there are plenty of drum groups (and dancers) that still have some pride and know a SHAM POW-WOW when they see one....:D

[Smokin' Ace]

The truth of the matter is this - yes, it might be "their business" and the committee might have turned their nose to this group's behavior, but in the pow-wow world, everyone sees everything - so yeah, they may have won the competition still, but their respect, along with the committee's, seems to have fallen a few notches with a lot of people.

I was not there to see this, but I love Battle River's music - I am saddened to hear that this happened, and I bet if you ask them, they are too.

When we make a decision to represent our people, those eyes follow you everywhere. Trust you me, I know, lol. But it's a decision that you make when you decide to sing or dance. Bottom line.

What other drums were there? Were there only 3 places in each category?

[Kiwehnzii]

(it doesn't matter who you are ... or how old you are... there is always some little eyes watching what you do.... and admiring you.... I sometimes see little kids really admiring and looking up to people that seem to be really "cool" .... but what I see is someone who is lost... and drinking and doing drugs.... stuff I would prefer the children NOT to do ... but I try to remember that... there are children looking up to all of us.... learning!!
We are all role models... as adults we are being watched by those little eyes )

Exactly, ravinsisi, exactly. I really don't give a hoot if the committee condones this kind of stuff. It's their powwow. They can deduct points. They can do nothing if they wish. It's their reputation at stake.

But..... the singers should remember what they hopefully have been taught by their teachers. They have such a rich heritage. Their Grand mother is such a beautiful lady. The look of hurt on her face was enough to make a person want to cry.

I noticed that Uncle Royce Kingbird didn't sing with them. Wonder why? He did , however, sing at the next drum beside them.

I agree with everyone else concerning their singing. I love to hear them sing. They make everyone want to dance.

[ravinsisi]

I believe that whatever they did at that pow wow is between them and it's not really anyone's business. And as for the drinking there is lotz of people that do drink lotz. Singers and dancers. There are even pow wowz where some of the comittee are smokin just outside the grounds. But. It's not my place to judge them or look down on anyone. I know that none of us are any better than anyone. All we can do is be there. Be there for all of our people. I think it doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing ... or where you are going... it doesn't matter who you are ... or how old you are... there is always some little eyes watching what you do.... and admiring you.... I sometimes see little kids really admiring and looking up to people that seem to be really "cool" .... but what I see is someone who is lost... and drinking and doing drugs.... stuff I would prefer the children NOT to do ... but I try to remember that... there are children looking up to all of us.... learning!!
We are all role models... as adults we are being watched by those little eyes